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OpenAI departures: Why can’t former employees talk?

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Post by LtWorf »

renonce wrote: post #410
jimnotgym wrote: post #398

>the company will succeed at developing AI systems that make most human labor obsolete. Hmmmn. Most of the humans where I work do things physically with their hands. I don't see what AI will achieve in their area. Can AI paint the walls in my house, fix the boiler and swap out the rotten windows? If so I think a subscription to chat GPT is very reasonably priced!

I don’t know but once vision AI reacts to traffic conditions accurately within 10ms it’s probably a matter of time before they take over your steering wheel. For other jobs you’ll need to wait for robotics.

It has to react "correctly"

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Post by tempodox »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #339
TeMPOraL wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clever, but no. The argument about LLMs not being copyright laundromats making sense hinges the scale and non-specificity of training. There's a difference between "LLM reproduced this piece of copyrighted work because it memorized it from being fed literally half the internet ", vs. "LLM was intentionally trained to specifically reproduce variants of this particular work". Whatever one's stances on the former case,…

Seems absurd that somehow the scale being massive makes it better somehow You would think having a massive scale just means it has infringed even more copyrights, and therefore should be in even more hot water

Almost reminds one of real life: The big thieves get away and have a fan base while the small ones get prosecuted as criminals.

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Post by csomar »

smt88 wrote: post #333
throwaway598 wrote: post #250

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That OpenAI are institutionally unethical. That such a young company can be become rotten so quickly can only be due to leadership instruction or leadership failure.

Look at Sam Altman's career and tweets. He's a clown at best, and at worst he's a manipulative crook who only cares about his own enrichment and uses pro-social ideas to give himself a veneer of trustworthiness.

Social engineering has been a thing well before computers and the internet...

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

benreesman wrote: post #416

This has just been crazy both to watch and in some small ways interact with up close (I’ve had some very productive and some regrettably heated private discussions advising former colleagues and people I care about to GTFO before the shit really hits the rotary air impeller, and this is going to get so much worse). This thread is full of comments making statements around this looking like some level of criminal enter…

There's another comment saying something sort of similar elsewhere in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40396366

What made you think it was the next Enron five years ago?

I appreciate you having the guts to stand up to them.

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Post by int_19h »

ein0p wrote: post #395
int_19h wrote: post #261

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This really doesn't follow. True AGI would be general , but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's smarter than people; especially the kind of people who work as top researchers for OpenAI.

I don’t see why it wouldn’t be superhuman if there’s any intelligence at all. It already is superhuman at memory and paying attention, image recognition, languages, etc. Add cognition to that and humans basically become pets. Trouble is nobody has a foggiest clue on how to add cognition to any of this.

It is definitely not superhuman or even above average when it comes to creative problem solving, which is the relevant thing here. This is seemingly something that scales with model size, but if so, any gains here are going to be gradual, not sudden.

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Post by DesiLurker »

DesiLurker wrote: post #164
olliej wrote: post #85

As I say over and over again: equity compensation from a non-publicly traded company should not be accepted as a surrogate for below market compensation. If a startup wants to provide compensation to employees via equity, then those employees should have first right to convert equity to cash in funding rounds or sale, there shares must be the same class as any other investor, because the idea that an “early employee”…

I always say in that the biggest swindle in the world is that in the great 'labor vs capital' fight, capital has convinced labor that its interests are secondary to capital's. this so much truer in the modern fiat-fractional reserve banking world where any development is rate-limited by either energy or people.

why downvote me instead of actually refuting my point?

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Post by DesiLurker »

hughesjj wrote: post #179
DesiLurker wrote: post #135

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somebody explained to me early on that you cannot have a contract to have a contract. either initial agreement must state this condition clearly or they are signing another contract at employment termination which is bringing these new terms. IDK why would anyone sign that at termination unless they dangle additional equity. I dont think this BS they are trying to pull would be enforceable at least in California. tho…

Canceling my openai subscription as we speak, this is too much. I don't care how good it is relative to other offerings. Not worth it.

same I cancelled mine months ago. Claude is much better for coding anyway.

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Post by Al-Khwarizmi »

"It forbids them, for the rest of their lives, from criticizing their former employer. Even acknowledging that the NDA exists is a violation of it."

I find it hard to understand that in a country that tends to take freedom of expression so seriously (and I say this unironically, American democracy may have flaws but that is definitely a strength) it can be legal to silence someone for the rest of their life.

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Post by psychoslave »

NewJazz wrote: post #344
bluefirebrand wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems absurd that somehow the scale being massive makes it better somehow You would think having a massive scale just means it has infringed even more copyrights, and therefore should be in even more hot water

My US history teacher taught me something important. He said that if you are going to steal and don't want to get in trouble, steal a whole lot.

Scale might be a factor, but it's not the only one. Your neighbor might not care if you steal a grass stalk in its lawn, and feel powerless if you're the bloody dictator of the country which wastes tremendous amount of resources in socially useless whims thanks to overwhelming taxes.

But most people don't want to live in permanent mental distress due to shame of past action or fear of rebellion, I guess.

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