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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by automatic6131 »

Sai_ wrote: post #622
automatic6131 wrote: post #524

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>Imagine there’s nothing to put on. The computer doctor sprinkles some magic computer dust over you 7 minutes after you are born and you get Apple Vision++++ levels of ability, all of the time. Everything in the world becomes a potential UI. Every action becomes an input. Every surface a display. I am begging you to consider how this is an awful future

I’m from a world where my myopia was debilitating (minus 10.5 in one eye, -9.5 in the other). Then, someone came an sprinkled magic dust into my eyes through a Laser and bam! 20/20 eyesight in one afternoon. You could say I was going the other way - from wearing a contraption (specs/contacts) to not wearing one unlike AR/VR where I have to wear something to experience it - but the effect is the same. I was naturally…

I've also had my bad eyes (-6.00, -5.50 bad but not at your level!) corrected by laser surgery.

Very different things! Also you're talking wistfully about science fiction, there's no indication that AR technology is going to reach the magic dust level this century.

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Post by henrikschroder »

bushbaba wrote: post #415
zmmmmm wrote: post #284

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yep .... and Apple has the same problem The fundamental question is what are they really useful for after the novelty wears off. It's not clear to me that Apple has done anything to change that fundamental issue.

People said the same about the first iPhone. Give it time. They shipped basically the foundation. The house has yet to be built.

> People said the same about the first iPhone.

That must have been an extremely tiny minority of people who wrote off the first iPhone.

Apple solved an actual problem in an actually existing huge market, i.e. how to maximize screen space while having a full keyboard in a tiny phone-size device. Everyone and their mother already had a cellphone, and then they switched to iPhone, or Android when they made the switch to all screen smartphones. Everyone switched! People with clamshells switched. People with Blackberries switched. People with Nokia Communicators switched. People with simple featurephones switched. Big screen + an app store was leaps and bounds better for everyone, regardless of how they used their phones.

There is no huge VR headset market. Everyone does not have a VR headset. Everyone isn't already using a VR headset for stuff, but are annoyed at how sucky the existing ones are, and are waiting for Apple to "fix" the market. If you own an Oculus right now, why would you switch?

There's simply no way you can make the case that Apple Vision is as disruptive as the iPhone was, and that therefore all the naysayers are wrong. It's just as gimmicky as all the other VR headsets, the use cases are just as convoluted as the others, there's nothing setting it apart from the competition, except the price and some tech specs. The iPhone introduced a new paradigm. What does Apple Vision introduce?

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Post by sumedh »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #502
roomey wrote: post #482

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I'm sorry, but buying things on the internet wasn't laughed at, if anything people were worried about it cause of their credit card numbers. It was that basis of the dot com boom of the late 90s. Everyone saw the potential and lashed money into it. It didn't deliver at the time, but that dynamic is totally different to vr headsets. Think smart phones, they weren't pushed, people wanted them in a serious way

The simplest contrast is ChatGPT vs VR right now. OpenAI is up to over a billion of users and hundreds of millions of subscribers in There is no demand for VR outside gaming. Efforts to try and create that demand are failing.

> There is no demand for VR outside gaming.

How big was the demand for the first mobile phone?

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Post by sumedh »

cracrecry wrote: post #577
nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

>So far at least, this is a tech that is being pushed onto people rather than being pulled. Like anything else in life? How much it took for the Guthenberg press to be "successful". It took at least 50 years since Guthenberg died bankrupted until there were millions of books being printed and people realised what the printing was by the consequences. Guthenberg pushed so hard his entire life. Aviation was not pushed…

> they were gliders in India thousands of years ago that killed themselves trying to fly

Source?

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Post by sebzim4500 »

wahahah wrote: post #27
ctvo wrote: post #25

This sounded weak to me. Apple is making an integrated headset: their own lenses, processor, ..., down to the operating system. The Quest uses an Android based operating system and a lot of off the shelf components. We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful . It has to be responsive. It has to have the little to…

I really don't understand why nobody else has managed making decent touchpads. Is it not extremely high priority??

I have an XPS 15, the touchpad is fine. When I use a macbook I don't think "oh my god the touchpad is great", although that might just be because I'm too busy thinking "oh my god this OS is terrible".

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Post by squeaky-clean »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #672
mach1ne wrote: post #497

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It was laughed at by consumers. There was a time not long ago when buying anything from internet was considered taboo because, you said it, fear of losing your credit card information to scammers.

> There was a time not long ago when buying anything from internet was considered taboo because, you said it, fear of losing your credit card information to scammers. That's a distinctly American problem. As is the (over)use of credit cards in general. Here in Europe, the main worry was simply paying in advance and not getting the item. Early on, the popular choice was just paying to the postman on delivery - it move…

American here, I remember buying some items online via check because of the fear of credit card theft, haha. It wasn't super common but I did it a few times. You'd "purchase" the item online, get a code in response, and you'd write the code in the memo area of the check and mail it out. I was definitely scared I'd never receive my package but thankfully it always worked out. I never paid too much for that reason, I think the most I paid was $90 for a hard to find game cartridge.

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Post by iddan »

NBJack wrote: post #327
kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

Pretty sure Mark was actually counting on it. It doesn't make it a good idea, but Apple tends to set the bar for status symbols. Smartphones existed before the iPhone. PC laptops existed before MacBooks. Portable digital music players existed before iPods. While not always successful, they actually add legitimacy to many of the markets they get into. Time will tell if it happens here; I'm not holding my breath.

The first thing I did after watching the demo was sending congrats to a friend working in a competing company. Apple entering the market and selling is a great validation point.

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Post by hexomancer »

wil421 wrote: post #603
DoingIsLearning wrote: post #590

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That is a very US perspective. Nokia absolutely dominated the European market up to the 2010s.

Nokia brick phones dominated the US market in the early 2000s. I’ve never seen a Symbian outside of magazines and internet tech writers. Symbian lost to iOS and Android within 2 years of release. Not to mention developers were never going to create apps for the platform.

What are you talking about? Symbian came out a decade before iPhone and was very widespread. Maybe you mean the Maemo operating system used in N900?

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Post by twoodfin »

darawk wrote: post #428
nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

> So far at least, this is a tech that is being pushed onto people rather than being pulled. I think it's very hard to tell the difference between these things ex ante. Everything that succeeds looks like it was pulled. But many things were pushed before they were pulled. Buying things on the internet, for instance. This was laughed at for quite a while, while a few people and companies were committed to the idea tha…

Another example: Video-on-demand was pushed for decades and essentially laughed at outside of a narrow niche where it found purchase… until one day it ate the world.
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