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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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So the justification seems to be that it's a special Edge feature that will open the browser side-by-side with the original email/Teams message.

But that's completely separate from users' default browser preferences. They're introducing a shiny new Edge feature... and not satisfied with letting Edge win on its own merits, they're overriding users' explicit preferences to shove it in front of more users.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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How so? Because they sort of open source the tech and made it possible to build for other platforms? C# is a great language taking over the advances of Java and C/++ making things a bit better, but intentions didn't make it any better: owning the devs. VScode? A rebuild of Atom, "free" with un-disable-able telemetry with the same intention: owning the devs Buy out of github, owning the devs Rebuild of ms office for t…

Just to add more examples of markets they are trying to take over by not being better, but by buying up the competition: - Video games: Activision/Blizzard, ZeniMax, Double Fine Productions, Obsidian Entertainment, inXile Entertainment, Playground Games, Compulsion Games, Undead Labs, Ninja Theory, Mojang - Developer ecosystems: npm, Dependabot, GitHub, Playfab, Deis, Xamarin, Havok, HockeyApp

This is standard business affairs for pretty much every big company. Apple, Google, Amazon, and many other fortune 500 companies, have all bought up dozens of businesses and their products and rebranded them as their own. Not sure why we're solely picking on Microsoft here...

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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And Azure. But aside from C#, .Net, Typescript, and Azure, what have Romans done for us?

Yeah, I beg to differ about including Azure in that list.

No mentions of Excel? I still haven't found better spreadsheet software...

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Many of us kept our trust rating for MS right around zero despite their "embrace of open source"; it seems we were correct in recognizing it as nothing more than a recognition of market realities packaged up as a marketing ploy.

It’s not just about trust, MS is outright hostile. Hostile UI, hostile business practices, hostile legal and growth endeavors At this point i’m not hust distrusting MS i’m actively doing anything I can to support their demise

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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I can't believe i'm about to suggest this... But, why doesn't Firefox start trying to curry the favor of large enterprises? By this, i mean, that maybe firefox could make a campaign to reach out to enterprise on how good FF could be for the enterprise...In essence try to win the hearts and minds of both IT admins and their senior leaders in the enterprise!?! (Instead of doing all manner of distractive efforts that ma…

Large enterprises means, the people deciding what goes on the work machines aren't the people using them. And they'll have incentives that are fundamentally different from their users (MS offering a bundle price for all their service will help them more than firefox being cheaper to administer for instance)

Dang it; good points!

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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I disagree with your premise. I have an iPhone (forced upon me by work) and it's ridiculous how many links still try to open in safari or Apple maps. I've tried to configure it for years and I've literally uninstalled Apple maps, but half the time iPhone keeps wanting me to reinstall it when I click a link or address. And a lot of url links open in safari instead of chrome or Firefox. Same with many other things - I…

> I can install any keyboard I want as long as it's just a skin on their keyboard. As an iOS app dev with a hobby project iOS keyboard, this is false. Third party iOS keyboards have just as much control over the keyboard UI and how each key (if it even has keys — your “keyboard” can be literally anything) interacts with text as a full fledged app does. In fact there is no way to “skin” the standard keyboard, but I wi…

For many years the keyboards were only skins, and for many years after that they would periodically lose their default status and revert to the built in keyboard.

Now it seems that the keyboards randomly hang / crash and don't come up when requested on the first try.

Apple goes out of their way to screw with third party competitors.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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What the hell? They’re separate words? How did I go at least half my life without knowing this.

Wait till you learn that "deprecated" and "depreciated" are different words, too.

Unfortunately I knew this one already. It’s be too much to hope I could have my mind broken twice in a day ;)

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Ok, but even if it's about .NET Core; As far as I can tell the creation of .NET Core was a business decision and not because MS suddenly wanted to create a better product. More then 50% of the VM's in Azure run Linux and not Windows. On AWS and GCP the percentage VM's running non-Windows OS'es is probably even higher. That's a realistic threat to the continued existence of .NET if .NET only runs on Windows.

Aside from the cost of licensing Windows which makes small-sized non-Windows VMs cheaper, there's been a strong pro-Linux bias in academia for a long time that nobody likes to talk about.

The choice is open, free vs closed, stifling, costly, dark-patterns.

I don't think that's bias.

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