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Re: Leaving China

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Post by STM32F030R8 »

elbigbad wrote: post #72
nonethewiser wrote: post #52

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> "this didn't start in China, this actually started in America." How did the reasoning work here? Not sure if this speaks to poor education, propaganda, something else, or all of the above.

Probably the same way conservative media portrays US joblessness as starting from other countries and their immigrants, and it’s clear that people who consume that media really buy into that way of thinking. People in echo chambers are particularly vulnerable to this sort of propaganda I expect.

This isn’t a narrative I’ve seen in conservative media. Kind of ironic to bring up echo chambers after that lol.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by fortuna86 »

dang wrote: post #671
fortuna86 wrote: post #665

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With all due respect, i'm calmly pointing out another users' inflammatory comments and clear trolling. I wasn't overly polite to him, is the rule literally to take abuse and remain robotic in response? Not being cheeky, genuinely curious.

"Self-awareness is not your strong point" was an egregious personal attack. You can't do that here. Ditto for "You aren't as complicated as you think you are", "I'm pointing out what you are.", and plenty of other things you posted in this thread. If I look at those comments cumulatively, you crossed the line very badly. The fact that someone else was also behaving badly doesn't change that. The rule is to stick to t…

Fair points, sorry for creating more work for you.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by dang »

fortuna86 wrote: post #682
dang wrote: post #671

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Self-awareness is not your strong point" was an egregious personal attack. You can't do that here. Ditto for "You aren't as complicated as you think you are", "I'm pointing out what you are.", and plenty of other things you posted in this thread. If I look at those comments cumulatively, you crossed the line very badly. The fact that someone else was also behaving badly doesn't change that. The rule is to stick to t…

Fair points, sorry for creating more work for you.

Appreciated!

Re: Leaving China

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Post by fortuna86 »

hayst4ck wrote: post #649
fortuna86 wrote: post #642

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> I really would like an explanation of what audit means. I am open to the idea of being surprised by a satisfying answer, but I am also asking because I don't think the answer will be satisfying. Every electronic vote has a physical record, and is checked against each other. Fraud/mistakes occur, but never at the scale to shift any election. More: https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/election-audits-acros...

> Fraud/mistakes occur, but never at the scale to shift any election. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results

Ok, a global wikipedia article. Is there any example in the US of fraud existing at a scale that once audited could have changed the outcome on an election?

Re: Leaving China

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Post by fortuna86 »

hayst4ck wrote: post #647
fortuna86 wrote: post #642

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really would like an explanation of what audit means. I am open to the idea of being surprised by a satisfying answer, but I am also asking because I don't think the answer will be satisfying. Every electronic vote has a physical record, and is checked against each other. Fraud/mistakes occur, but never at the scale to shift any election. More: https://www.eac.gov/election-officials/election-audits-acros...

That's an hour long technical read. Do you think your average person with high school or a GED as their highest level of education or less, ~40% of the country, is going to be able to read such a meaty document and make sense of it? 8% of Americans are basically illiterate. 54% read below a 6th grade level. I am not trying to attack you with that statement. This is a statement form one liberal to someone else I perce…

> but instead we have an electronic voting system

We don't. As said, every electronic vote has a physical backup that is audited.

Re: Leaving China

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Post by croutonwagon »

_kava wrote: post #247
croutonwagon wrote: post #145

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Thats fair. I have never been to China but have worked witb folks that have. They have to take some….extra precautions traveling there. Vietnam seems much more open. Their internet is largely open and accessible. Even easy to register sims. They have no quarantine or vaccine requirements for entry or visa etc. All in all much more open and light. Similarly in good company they would be fairly open about the governmen…

>Vietnam seems much more open. Their internet is largely open and accessible. Even easy to register sims. They have no quarantine or vaccine requirements for entry or visa etc. This is patently false. I do not know what time period you went to Vietnam but recently their country literally went into lockdown and did not open until much later. They still require proof of vaccination to enter the country and I was told t…

I was in Vietnam last month. I also work in IT and had both my personal and work laptop with me. I waited to reply because i still had friends in country at the time.

There is no proof of vaccination required and hasnt been since at least the beginning of this year.

I did not notice any blocks of internet on Viettel (and BBC is in my news feeds).

I would periodically hop on a VPN i own and use Firefox Focus if i was googling something that the government may have viewed as controversial. But I wasnt given a reason to, I am just a bit of a privacy freak and assume they are logging traffic.

And the sim card did not require any ID. When we arrived one of our friends handed them out, about 10 of them to all of us. I even went as far as to call and upgrade it to a higher plan as 1GB/day wasnt sufficient.

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