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Modern action films fetishize the body even as they desexualize it

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Post by globular-toast »

engineeringwoke wrote: post #601
globular-toast wrote: post #595

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And what is "not natural" about any of that? Some people naturally regulate their intakes such that they don't get fat. It's not a conscious effort on their part. They eat what they want to and don't get fat. It's as simple as that. There are certain breeds of dogs and cats that will eat until it makes them sick and easily get fat. Other breeds don't. Even with food readily available they just don't get fat. Humans a…

So I'm guessing you're fat?

I'm naturally thin and so are both of my parents.

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Post by hntrader »

rhfkfld wrote: post #671
hntrader wrote: post #443

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"Children exist in the same environment." Wrong. There are twin studies that establish this. But I get it, you are only pro-science when you happen to agree with the conclusions already.

Twin studies are bull. Twins don't even have the same genome

Irrelevant (because the assignment of twins to particular environments is mostly blinded to mutation differences) and pedantic (because the differences are trivial).

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Post by TeMPOraL »

dfxm12 wrote: post #592
prirun wrote: post #317

I have never understood why nudity and consensual sex - basically harmless activities - are deeply frowned on by the ratings groups, yet stabbing someone in the throat and having their blood gush out everywhere is fine and dandy. Everyone knows that men have dicks. Why is seeing one such a big deal? Or a butt for that matter: everybody has one! It's no wonder our society is screwed up when it comes to our bodies. We…

are deeply frowned on by the ratings groups, yet stabbing someone in the throat and having their blood gush out everywhere is fine and dandy. I'm trying to think of a movie where so graphically murdering a real human with a real weapon wouldn't get a frown and an R from the MPAA like nudity would. Kind of ironically, though, one way to dodge harsher ratings for violence is to kill non-humans (like aliens) with made u…

> I'd venture to say most of them are at the violence level of Star Trek or below

You mean the new Star Trek, right? Because the new Star Trek is much more violent than the old, TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT shows. Not just overtly violent, but also psychologically violent. It's disgusting, frankly. And the difference is, while I'd happily show my kid the old Star Trek when they hit 7-10, there's no way in hell I would let them anywhere near close Picard/Discovery at that age.

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Post by darkerside »

pradn wrote: post #543
dawg- wrote: post #521

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Baudrillard's insistence on reading everything as a symbol gets him in trouble. There are a lot of intellectual fireworks in his writing, but I think he lacks depth and appreciation for the vibrancy and diversity of life. It's another example of cultural criticism failing because it overly textualizes things. Did he ever ask the owners of the bodies he so eloquently critiques, the "bodybuilder", or the "skateboarder"…

It's best to read his work - and the work of many philosophers - metaphorically, and with a grain of salt. His statements are vectors that point in certain directions, not destinations in themselves. I think his work is deeply humanist. He's afraid the society we've created for ourselves prevents us from enjoying our own humanity. And this shouldn't be particularly controversial. We can agree that most workplaces can…

Baudrillard: Please change as a society, you're doing it wrong and losing your humanity!

Rest of humanity: Please leave us alone, we're trying to have fun and/or survive

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Post by rhfkfld »

hntrader wrote: post #682
rhfkfld wrote: post #671

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Twin studies are bull. Twins don't even have the same genome

Irrelevant (because the assignment of twins to particular environments is mostly blinded to mutation differences) and pedantic (because the differences are trivial).

Wrong, and wrong. Keep pace with the literature. Differences can manifest as early as embryogenesis and have far reaching outcomes, e.g. there have been reports of different covid severity outcomes within a twin pair.

Hell, you do know that the cells in your own body don't all have the same genome, right?

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Post by ajmurmann »

jjcon wrote: post #643
ajmurmann wrote: post #208

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It seems to be somewhat limited to Americans though. So isn't the obvious explanation the religious, puritan heritage?

WRT sex? Yeah that seems like a reasonable conjecture- but there are counter examples I can’t really figure. Even atheistic American liberals are totally backwards on sex/bodies. Everything sexual is offensive, or gross. I feel it used to be the religious right in the USA that held those beliefs... now it’s everyone?

I think it has become cultural. It's just what people are used to. We adopt norms from the society around us rather than starting from minimal apriori assumptions or at least questioning every little thing.

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Post by edgyquant »

refurb wrote: post #366
edgyquant wrote: post #320

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I’m American and the public pools I’ve been to are mostly not like this. They have individuals “cubicles” that you go into and then you can take close off and shower.

Huh. I’m American and we had a change room at work and all the guys would walk around nude and nobody thought anything of it.

You can definitely walk around naked in the pool locker rooms I’ve been to, but they have cubicles so you don’t have to

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Post by edgyquant »

throwawayhehe wrote: post #460
edgyquant wrote: post #318

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The reason why “50%” sex work shouldn’t be legal is because job descriptions change over time so it could easily be the case that every attractive women with a male boss suddenly has to have sex with them or be fired for not completing their job description. Sure, a lot of women can quit, but exploitation already happens now when it is illegal so if the law was on the exploiters side things would only get worse.

Things wouldn't get worse ... they'd just have to start paying taxes on it.

I disagree, a world where any job can be coerced into being a sex job is a worse world over all. People don’t generally get away with coercing women who are researching astrophysics into sex these days, your idea would make that legal and thus more common.

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Post by tayo42 »

lstodd wrote: post #338
tayo42 wrote: post #99

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How did boomers use more drugs? Since the boomer generation we had a crack epidemic, 2 heroine, 1 of those mixed with prescription opiates, and a non stop meth problem. Marijuana is legal in a bunch of states now. Psychedelics are having a revival. Mdma didn't even exist until recently and there have been two waves of rave culture

MDMA was everywhere since 1970-s. What 'recently' are you talking about?

i dont think it was recreational until the 80s but yeah looks i misremembered, it was invented in the early 1900s
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