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So what kind of parents/police beat their constituents? Men who are angry and want to assert themselves as macho and in charge. It needs to stop.
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Do you believe that kneeling on another human being’s neck for 9 minutes is not dangerous?
Dangerous? Yes. Did they know it would be fatal? I have no idea. It isn't clear that they were standing there with the intent to "keep watch while their colleague killed him". I don't believe they knew he would die. That doesn't absolve them, but should they be arrested as accomplices to murder? It isn't clear!
If I owned a martial arts studio and I let a student do that, I’d face criminal & civil liability. Why shouldn’t trained officers of the law be held to at least that standard?
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> Just in Chicago at least 17 people were killed during the protests. And how many by the protestors? > As far as I can tell no one was killed at the hands of the police (after protests started) https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/867281529/louisville-police-c... Note that shooting someone isn't the only form of violence possible. Escalating by firing rubber bullets or tear gassing or driving your car into peaceful protes…
>> Just in Chicago at least 17 people were killed during the protests. > And how many by the protestors? We don't know if they were all "protestors" but at least not the police: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/16-dead-at-least-30-pe... From your article: "the police and National Guard were shot at first and that the shots that killed McAtee were fired in response", and that they weren't part of the protests. It…
> We don't know if they were all "protestors" but at least not the police
In fact, we don't know if any of them were protestors, so your insistence to relate the two groups is odd.
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I'm not promoting or condoning violence. But Apple shut down their retail stores over this, so it definitely is impacting "the elites" to some extent.
I own shares of Apple via my retirement plan. Am I elite?
If not, please explain how you having a mutual fund means that "the elites" who control Apple aren't impacted by lost revenue.
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I didn't mention protesters, I'm talking about the huge amount of people destroying, looting, beating other people in most cities.
It is not a huge amount, and it is not happening in most cities. Take a random example here in California, probably 50 people looted Best Buy this weekend? For a city of 70k? Vast minority. In a country that has 20k cities. There is no way more than 10k cities are experiencing looting. There is “more than I would actually like”, and there is actual huge/most. It simply isn’t as bad as you make out to be.
In DT Seattle, protests turned into violent riots, and many nearby businesses were damaged including looting.
In other WA cities, criminals picked strategic targets (Target, Walmart, and BestBuy) and hit them in multiple locations. In Bellevue, there was footage of cars pulling up to take the stolen possesions and drive away.
That was different than with looting, in which people typical take anything that isn't nailed down.
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Dangerous? Yes. Did they know it would be fatal? I have no idea. It isn't clear that they were standing there with the intent to "keep watch while their colleague killed him". I don't believe they knew he would die. That doesn't absolve them, but should they be arrested as accomplices to murder? It isn't clear!
The idea that kneeling on a restrained human’s neck for 9 minutes isn’t something they knew could lead to the severe injury or death of that person would be laughable if it wasn’t so chilling to hear you defend. If I owned a martial arts studio and I let a student do that, I’d face criminal & civil liability. Why shouldn’t trained officers of the law be held to at least that standard?
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I think you are purposefully misreading the comment. There are ways to differentiate, mom with kid, old man vs. young guy in black clothes with a backpack. I think I know what you want to imply, but did you note the complete absence of race or colour in OPs comment? And alos the completely different circumstances, crowd control vs. standard law enforcement?
I am not purposefully misreading. I am reading. I was gobsmacked by how ironic the proposal was and felt compelled to point it out. To show that this stuff is hard even when folks are entirely well-meaning. I did notice the absence of race or color and you will note my comment does not include any notion of race. You added race. I did note judging by appearance. You added age, out of nowhere. Using appearance to trea…
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The phrase “the straw that broke the camel’s back” comes to mind. Yes, outrageous police conduct has happened before. But for some ineffable reason, this one time was one time to many.
I think that because this incident was so clearly visible, the video capturing what was so obviously murder, that it was a concrete platform to start a movement on. In many other cases, there was at least an attempt by the victim to defend themselves, or parts of the video that left holes in the context of what was going on. This one was a slaughter, and no one could find a justification for it.
As a less politically sensitive topic for most Americans, I point to the Arab spring uprising as a good example. Tensions had been rising for decades, but the final trigger was when Mohamed Bouazizi, a street vendor, lit himself on fire to protest the local police stealing his possessions & threatening his livelihood. A tragic event, for sure, but after decades of brutality and continual tragedy, who could have possibly predicted that that would be the final straw?
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One is legal (whether you like it or not) the other is illegal. If you don’t like that, vote to have the law changed. No one gets to be a vigilante/looter without legal/social consequences.
I don't think anyone is looking for no consequences, they really don't care anymore. For example, your idea of voting in the minds of the protestors is laughable. They believe (and I tend to agree) that money controls policy in this nation and the ultra-wealthy have control over policy, therefor their vote doesn't matter.
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Less officers overall and train the remaining officers better. Besides, given that the police already get so much money and we still have problems, it seems like throwing more money at them isn't the answer.
So you want even longer wait times for an officer to respond to your complaint of a stolen car/bike or other “quality of life” crime? How are people thinking they will get better police service (or any police service) by reducing police budgets? Most of said budget is spent on pensions anyway from the breakdowns I’ve seen. It’s not like cops are rolling in it. Even if you rake in overtime you still have to work durin…