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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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I did the same a few years back, use duck duck go for search, iphone for phone, apple maps for directions, firefox|safari|brave for browser, it is really easy to get google out of your life, only thing I am still looking to replace is mail, if anyone has found something that is free(or relatively cheap) and is reliable I'd love to know.

What is your alternative to YouTube?

Bitchute seems to be gaining traction. Currently, they're where you go to watch banned videos and banned content producers like Infowars, Soph, etc.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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At risk of nitpicking, why do say "controls" rather than e.g. "services" or "handles"? When you say "controls" it's like you're saying Google has some kind of monopoly power that makes it hard to switch. And yet anyone can easily switch to e.g. DuckDuckGo. If that's a monopoly, it's not quite the kind of a monopoly we should generally be worried about. Browsers would be a different issue. In that case, there are netw…

This is the perennial discussion on HN as HN'ers get popularity confused with monopoly. I get the anti-Google sentiment but outside of the Play services agreements that Google got dinged for with Android manufacturers, they're not being anti-competitive. If Google were to block search results to DuckDuckGo for example, that would be monopolistic and warrant antitrust action. As it is now, Google isn't blocking compet…

>consumers are choosing to use Google despite the privacy-oriented preferences here on HN.

I'm not sure I'd agree with the word "despite". I still think the majority of the non-tech world is still oblivious to the privacy implications of G,FB,etc. Sure, I'm sure there's a percentage of people that have made the decision they don't care and are fine with it, but there are definitely don't know/understand.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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What an infantile understanding of the issue. The reason that hate speech creates outrage is because it exists to communicate inhuman hatred of others for their immutable characteristics. The reason that sites like YouTube don't tolerate it isn't that they share in the outrage - it's that they rely entirely on advertisers to keep their bottom line positive, and advertisers aren't going to pay to be associated with ha…

You can't break the site guidelines like that. We've had to ask you about this many times before. Your comment would be fine without the first sentence. (No, I'm not defending the opposite side of the argument. I'm defending HN's guidelines, which please follow.)

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23223793.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Was it really bad for US until China started working on 5G and trying to become independent in semiconductor sector? Because until that time globalism was pretty profitable in terms of trade and relations for US.

>>>Was it really bad for US until China started working on 5G and trying to become independent in semiconductor sector? Yes, it's bad because "naval strategy is build strategy", and all of that industrial activity and technical know-how exported to China has facilitated the buildup of a massive, modern, increasingly-blue-water Navy and supporting Air Force that is postured specifically to challenge the US. The US Nav…

A US economic collapse would be real hard on China, given how much of our national debt is owed to Chinese creditors.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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There's something I've been thinking about lately and its the fact that I learned about the Black feelings of the Hasidic (Jewish) community moving to Bergen-Lafayette neighborhood of Jersey City only after the mass shooting that occurred their earlier this year. I saw a news report from the neighborhood and a resident mentioned how they have seen a big shift in their neighborhood and longtime residents were getting…

To be honest, I think that many, if not most, of israeli and diaspors Jews (and quite a lot of religious, too) would be banned from YouTube for antisemitism if they voiced their opinions on Hasidim there.

To my knowledge YouTube does not ban content that is antisemitic. There is some evidence that antisemitism when couple to anything Nazi will be banned (video wise), but there is no blanket prohibition against antisemitism.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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As I read it, "this" refers to "a monopoly on communication/speech", not "a monopoly [of any kind]".

No barrister or legal historian here, but fairly certain that a monopoly on permissible communication/speech was and is still held (in title at least) by the Crown this is pretty much precisely what the 1nd amendment is about and why it was so radical at the time.

Also due to the Stamp Act.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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YouTube filtering slurs and hateful memes is not surprising. They would target anything that gets spammed and reduces the quality of discourse (such as it is on YouTube). I see no evidence that China is getting any special treatment here. It was the subject of hateful spam, so now it gets a filter. Same would apply to any other country or topic. From my perspective, the absolutist "freedom of speech"/anti-censorship…

Who decides what is intelligent, well-reasoned critique? Those in power have an incentive to categorize anything that threatens them as "hate speech" or "obscene" or "threatening to the social order".

There are two parties that decide what constitutes an intelligent, well-reasoned critique.

The first party is the owner(s) of a platform. For any owner, there is incentive to preserve power, but there is also incentive to not act as an oppressive villain.

The owner sometimes has ideals beyond power, such as cultivating free communication to build ideas for a better world.

But even the most callous, iron-fisted dictator can sniff the danger in being overly oppressive. They also sometimes recognize that unstifled communication serves as a competitive advantage.

As a consequence, free speech is less fragile than it seems. There are even whiffs of it in China itself: https://www.cecc.gov/freedom-of-expression-in-china-a-privil...

The second party that decides what constitutes an intelligent, well-reasoned critique are the viewers of and contributors to a platform.

We have pitchforks, and pitchforks have sharp ends, but they can be dulled by overuse. Furthermore, the citizen's militia grows weary when called upon too often.

And thus, when the rallying cry is sounded for the non-event of a crude slur being censored, we're eroding our own power. We're jumping the gun, which should fire only when we think an intelligent, well-reasoned critique has been suppressed.

Making a slippery slope argument is betraying a lack of understanding about the above complex dynamic.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

#688

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did the same a few years back, use duck duck go for search, iphone for phone, apple maps for directions, firefox|safari|brave for browser, it is really easy to get google out of your life, only thing I am still looking to replace is mail, if anyone has found something that is free(or relatively cheap) and is reliable I'd love to know.

What is your alternative to YouTube?

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Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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The left invariably requires censorship in order to give the impression of prevailing and being strong. Those who’s interests are in line with their values implement it.

Implying that “the Left” and the Communist Party of China are in any way comparable by referring to them collectively demonstrated a remarkable lack of political insight and a remarkable degree of intellectual dishonesty.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At risk of nitpicking, why do say "controls" rather than e.g. "services" or "handles"? When you say "controls" it's like you're saying Google has some kind of monopoly power that makes it hard to switch. And yet anyone can easily switch to e.g. DuckDuckGo. If that's a monopoly, it's not quite the kind of a monopoly we should generally be worried about. Browsers would be a different issue. In that case, there are netw…

This is the perennial discussion on HN as HN'ers get popularity confused with monopoly. I get the anti-Google sentiment but outside of the Play services agreements that Google got dinged for with Android manufacturers, they're not being anti-competitive. If Google were to block search results to DuckDuckGo for example, that would be monopolistic and warrant antitrust action. As it is now, Google isn't blocking compet…

Google has and does block competition, and they've attracted the attention of antitrust regulators for this on multiple occasions.
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