On the contrary, historical perspective is essential in understanding the issues that the EU is going through currently. If the German leadership took a good look in the mirror, it would see that it is subjecting Greece to a replica of the Treaty of Versaille and, as a result, should expect similar consequences. The PR outfall of that debacle is probably what pushed the Brits to vote for exit.
UK votes to leave EU
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Re: UK votes to leave EU
#682My gosh, loads of people commenting. Hacker news is indulged in politics as we speak. It's a shame really. But to add my views to the board... Yes the EU wasn't perfect. I wouldn't call it undemocratic, or despotic, or communist, fascist, etc... But it was start of something getting people together. Making Europe a whole. Now the Brexit sparked other right wing parties in member countries to gain popularity. And we a…
This is not an american politics issue, so YC is fine by that. And to be honest, this move has major repercussions for many many people involved in tech and tech companies, so it's not counter productive to discuss it.
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#683We are all talking about economics but the whole deal is way more noble than mere money. No European ever has never think "woow this shinny $consumer_object is been produced inside the EU so I don't get to pay the import tax" but every single European younger than 50 at least once in its life has open up the Ryanair website and thought "for 30€ I guess this weekend I will be in London/Paris/Berlin/Madrid/Rome". The w…
> woow this shinny $consumer_object is been produced inside the EU so I don't get to pay the import tax
I actually do that. Shipping costs from US and taxes outside the EU is crazy. ;) I regularly picked UK Amazon because of that.
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#684For those of you outside the UK, please realise that this was not a xenophobic vote. Just because there were racist scum in the crowd voting brexit, doesn't mean all brexit supporters are likewise. There are many reasons why people voted to leave but the journalism covering this seemed to only be able to cover the sensationalist parts of the debate in the most childish fashion. This needed a serious discussion amongs…
The quality of discourse was terrible. Why did the leave camp stick to the 350 million argument after it had been so firmly skewered. There were many other reasons to vote leave that could have been discussed instead.
Both campaigns are guilty of this.
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#685Since the discussion keeps circling back to effects and economics, I found this paper on "The Economic Impact of EU membership on the UK"[0] published by what looks like the House of Commons, which includes cost-benefit analyses of EU membership, effect of the EU on UK trade relations, impact of immigration from the EU, impact of EU regulation, Fiscal consequences of EU membership, etc.
Whilst it doesn't seem to cover every nuance of the situation, it adresses some of the points brought up for discussion in this thread, such as punitive tariffs (ruled out based on WTO non-discrimination rule), and seems like a fairly unbiased primer. It's fairly short too, 32 pages, written for a MP level of reading comprehension.
[0]researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06730/SN06730.pdf
Re: UK votes to leave EU
#686As other comments have noted, the point is that the EU will not want to give the UK a good deal on leaving, because the EU does not want to give any encouragement to the other countries which want to leave the EU (some of which want to leave more strongly than the UK do - apparently). Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? This is unpr…
> Secondly, why would the UK end up with a Norway or Switzerland deal, when the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world? As of now, France is the 5th largest economy of the world. The Pound collapsing has already bumped the UK down. Yes, eventually there will be a relatively free trade agreement in place. But still the UK will have to abide to any European regulation, if they want to trade. Just that they do no lo…
For just the exports to the EU. I've seen this view several times in the thread, but never acknowledging that it's a small part of the economy that will have to do that.
Re: UK votes to leave EU
#687A very sad day for everyone in Europe. The EU is not only about trade regulations, but about a continent who had a not very peaceful history finally growing together. The freedom of movement for European citizens was not only "convenient" but in fact an important civil right. When you live or have a business in one state of the US, you are bound to local regulations of course, but being part of the US granted you a l…
> Especially I am sad for the young generation in the UK. A very large part (about 75%) voted to stay in Europe, and this future is taken from them
The undertones in this point imply that votes from the young generation is worth more than others.
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#688Take the US federal government, take away 2/3 of Congress's powers, give all of those powers to the civil service, and then replace the President with a committee appointed by state governments on a staggered basis. That's the EU. Congratulations Britain, today you took back control of your own destiny.
> Congratulations Britain, today you took back control of your own destiny.
Proudly galloping off into the dusk towards a glorious future as the world's uncontested exporter of wine gummies and vinegar chips.
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#689So apparently the majority can be convinced to do something silly; who would have thought that happening in a modern, civilized, western world, the connected world, the flat earth!
We underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers.
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#690Is Scotland going to be exiting the UK next? Guess we'll see in a few years. Hard to know what will happen here, but I suspect once the UK (or what's left of it) signs a trade deal with the EU, they'll get the same deal as Norway - all the compliance with EU regulations, with none of the say. I suppose people may be happy with that deal, as long as they can get to say they're "free". I'm hoping this somehow leave the…
I feel that the growth of Fascist sentiment worldwide can't possibly be a coincidence. Globalisation and it's benefits are being questioned. People are disappointed. Even this vote , is actually a vote of dissatisfaction against the status quo. They just managed to direct enough of that anger against the EU. I'd like to suggest the following three hypotheses and hear what you guys think : 1. As growth slows , liberal…
4) an economy built on borrow and spend (essentially betting on the future) now coming in terms with built up debt, aging population and slowing economy
5) this is a correction.