I was signing up for Hetzner years ago and it asked me to upload my passport to use their service. At that same time, I was reading about this story about WireCard. It was like Stripe for Europe and worth billions. Turns out it was run by a Russian spy network and was all a sham. That video alleged Germany’s bureaucracy is filled with Russian agents and this can be traced back to the East/West Berlin days. To save a…
If they are spies, they are taking their time to use the data for sure. I run servers with them since 2009 or so. That's 17 years. I feel like the whole password thing was meant as a protection against SPAM or using servers for nefarious purposes as they know who's really behind every server. Although, I can also see how real criminals would work around that easily by supplying fake identities. Sounds like one of tho…
Hetzner Price Adjustment
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It's not sustainable because it'll basically ruin all of the industries connected to memory. OpenAI, Anthropic etc. all need a massive amount of compute to train and serve models, and increases in memory price will all drive up their already massive costs. And then on the other end, the people they need to use their AI services cannot either afford the devices they need to access the devices, or the device costs go u…
OpenAI/Anthropic are in the business of "replacing workers with AIs", not in the business of "selling AIs to workers" that is a 20T market they dont need you to afford a subscription, they need your boss to replace you with their service
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This is Hetzner's third increase this year. Not seeing any sort of similar levels of recurring price hikes from the other big vps providers.
OVH suddenly seems cheap. :-P :-D
[1] https://blog.ovhcloud.com/pricing-evolution-of-public-cloud-...
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Is it AI that lacks intentionality or your prompts? Just remember we are comparing slops. If you care about your code it really doesn't matter if you write it manually or with the help of a glorified typewriter.
it can't be bad - if it's bad you must be using it wrong
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I'm thinking more about, like, my next door neighbors, who also don't care that my interlocutor had to turn off one of their hobby servers. That's OK, though, because they also think a Macbook Neo would cost $119 without the Apple tax, so I think we're at an impasse.
There are people running sites hosting old religious texts and hymns and a hundred other things that have nothing to do with programmers. A 4x jump in the bill for someone on limited income not gaining anything from it is not trivial. It results in the disappearance of a site that will not come back.
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Is it AI that lacks intentionality or your prompts? Just remember we are comparing slops. If you care about your code it really doesn't matter if you write it manually or with the help of a glorified typewriter.
it can't be bad - if it's bad you must be using it wrong
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I'm thinking more about, like, my next door neighbors, who also don't care that my interlocutor had to turn off one of their hobby servers. That's OK, though, because they also think a Macbook Neo would cost $119 without the Apple tax, so I think we're at an impasse.
I am trying to parse this post because it sort of reads like “My neighbors are dumb and we care about the same things” but I can’t figure out why someone would write that How did we get from you saying that you didn’t understand the post that you responded to to neighbor chat in so few posts
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I’m not a business person, but they’re already at the “hundreds of thousands of servers” scale, what about the 41st data center be organizationally far more expensive than the first 40?
Businesses charge their customers as much as they can. Businesses want to raise prices almost regardless of what their input costs are. It is wrong to believe that a product's "correct" price is simply its cost plus a reasonable markup. There's other factors that might limit how much a business can charge their customers. But an ideal business acts more like a monopoly and charges far far more than is 'fair'. In theo…
That's very imprecise.
There are multiple optima on the price/demand elasticity curve.
At the two ends: Few expensive items and many inexpensive items, Hetzner has consistently operated at low margins and massive volume.
Which means they charge customers as little as they can to get as many customers as possible.
You'll see that evident on any price comparison chart prior to these adjustments.
They're probably still cheaper than everyone else in spite of 3x'ing the price of some products.
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It’s not just the hyperscalers, it’s also the boom in personal projects being launched. AI has massively decreased the bar to entry, and a lot more people need servers compared to before
Do you believe there are many enough of these at scale to make any meaningful impact? The vast majority of personal projects are not built by those receiving FAANG salaries.