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Post by dzonga »

sph wrote: post #169
originalvichy wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the real risk after the slow death of personal computing. Even internet resources like servers will be hoarded by the hyperscalers that are the only ones who can afford to order years of compute hardware in advance. I’ve already started buying cheap old business PCs just in case I’ll ever need to have simple barebones machines to run things on.

I work on a desktop, but as a backup I have bought a refurbished Dell Latitude, there are a lot of decent ones for €250 on eBay. Put Linux on it, it’s good enough for most workloads. I just hope my top shelf 2020-era desktop doesn’t die on me because it would get very expensive to get a new build these days.

in the U.S & other regions it sucks cz you can hardly ever get static ip addresses at residential addresses to host things & expose to the internet

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Post by saltmate »

moontear wrote: post #553
ozgune wrote: post #18

The new prices are here: https://docs.hetzner.com/general/infrastructure-and-availabi... (However, Hetzner did an earlier price increase 38 days ago. HN's submission logic sends posting the url to the previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48306066 )

Ah, so this is ANOTHER price increase in a short timeframe? Thought I read about this before

No, this is the same prize increase. The post from 38 days ago was the announcement this one will come, now it is active.

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

mpyne wrote: post #495
bourbonproof wrote: post #427

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doesn't this imply that they buy massive hardware and thus replace their hardware constantly? At what rate? It seems the rate is massive. I'd gladly use a 4year old server for the old price.

> thus replace their hardware constantly? Yes? How else do you think it works? At scale, hardware breaks all the time and must therefore be replaced all the time. This is true even at Hetzner's scale.

It's not even the reliability which is the issue. Newer servers can put hundreds of cores in one physical machine, while taking up the same amount of rack space and using the same amount of electricity as older systems with tens of cores.

How long do you want to run something that uses 3x the electricity for the same level of performance when you're buying power by the megawatt? How about the even older ones that use 10x as much?

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Post by Liriel »

Prices are going insane, and I am going for an alternative provider in the US.

I have 5 app nodes, 2 background workers, 1 DB replica, and 4 dev/staging instances.

On new Hetzner US pricing:

5 x CCX23 (app nodes): $514.95/mo 2 x CCX13 (workers): $101.98/mo 1 x CCX23 (DB replica): $102.99/mo 4 x CX33 (dev/staging): $39.96/mo Total: ~$759/mo or $9,108/year

On 3HCloud with equivalent specs:

5 x 16 GB 4 vCPU dedicated: $160/mo 2 x 8 GB 2 vCPU dedicated: $32/mo 1 x 16 GB 4 vCPU dedicated: $32/mo 4 x 4 GB 2 vCPU shared: $24/mo Storage ~250 GB total (SSD smart): ~$7.50/mo Total: ~$255/mo or $3,066/year

I will let you do the math.

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Post by binarymax »

Liriel wrote: post #605

Prices are going insane, and I am going for an alternative provider in the US. I have 5 app nodes, 2 background workers, 1 DB replica, and 4 dev/staging instances. On new Hetzner US pricing: 5 x CCX23 (app nodes): $514.95/mo 2 x CCX13 (workers): $101.98/mo 1 x CCX23 (DB replica): $102.99/mo 4 x CX33 (dev/staging): $39.96/mo Total: ~$759/mo or $9,108/year On 3HCloud with equivalent specs: 5 x 16 GB 4 vCPU dedicated: $…

Looks great. But will 3hCloud be able to sustain those prices?

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Post by stymaar »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #592
bayindirh wrote: post #581

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> By the time you can have a slow death of personal computing, capacity will improve and prices will improve. I love this baseless optimism. Reminds me of the economic theory (forgot who put it forward): Everything will be fine in the long run. ...and it's rebuked by Maynard Keynes: "We're all dead in the long run". Yes, by the time capacity & prices will improve, we'll be all dead. > I don't see why hyperscalers wou…

> ...and it's rebuked by Maynard Keynes: "We're all dead in the long run". The trouble with Keynes is that it's only fully true on the time scale of the heat death of the universe, and in that context it's fully nihilistic. Whereas most economic theories do operate on timescales where the finding out comes within the lifetime of the people fucking around. And to the extent that it doesn't, it generally comes within t…

> The trouble with Keynes is that it's only fully true on the time scale of the heat death of the universe, and in that context it's fully nihilistic. Whereas most economic theories do operate on timescales where the finding out comes within the lifetime of the people fucking around

You got this completely backwards: Keynes argument is that economic policies cannot just rely on the fact that things are going to be fine “in the long run”, because the “long run” may be something we never see. He was in fact arguing against economic theories that are “only fully true on the time scale of the heat death of the universe”, not the other way around.

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Post by patrickdavey »

I haven't looked into it thoroughly yet, but, at some point it'll be worth looking at getting a static IP address and using Cloudflare tunnels to serve toyish projects from your home netwerk. Just need to work out how to firewall it properly from the rest of the home network.

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Post by hurtigioll »

Hamuko wrote: post #589
locknitpicker wrote: post #587

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> The current pricing isn't sustainable, and if you try to wring out the maximum amount of profit, you're gonna have competition spring up. I don't understand what you mean by "sustainable". The whole industry tripled their process AND is maxing out their production lines. They are cashing out as expected. It matters nothing if this trend can't be kept up for years, because by then their output still meets demand AND…

It's not sustainable because it'll basically ruin all of the industries connected to memory. OpenAI, Anthropic etc. all need a massive amount of compute to train and serve models, and increases in memory price will all drive up their already massive costs. And then on the other end, the people they need to use their AI services cannot either afford the devices they need to access the devices, or the device costs go u…

OpenAI/Anthropic are in the business of "replacing workers with AIs", not in the business of "selling AIs to workers"

that is a 20T market

they dont need you to afford a subscription, they need your boss to replace you with their service

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Post by SomeUserName432 »

me551ah wrote: post #258
binarymax wrote: post #14

This is just the reality of hardware costs now. RAM and Disk are scarce, prices have skyrocketed. I wonder how much leverage the hyperscalers like AWS/GCP/Azure have on their own supply chain to keep costs level in their clouds.

It’s not just the hyperscalers, it’s also the boom in personal projects being launched. AI has massively decreased the bar to entry, and a lot more people need servers compared to before

Do you believe there are many enough of these at scale to make any meaningful impact?

The vast majority of personal projects are not built by those receiving FAANG salaries.

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