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AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by ajam1507 »

mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #642
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Why do you need a job in the scenario where machines have replaced all human labor? You're forgetting that work is a means, not an end, for humanity.

You don't need a job, if you can maintain purchasing power without selling your labor. I didn't forget that, I just didn't take such an outcome for granted. In other comments I have expressed support for UBI, as well as for paying parents to stay home and spend time with their children. I think the more automated our society gets, the less people should need to work to earn a living. But I look around and I just don'…

> But I look around and I just don't see anyone implementing such policies.

Because we have low unemployment. As long as we have jobs for people, you shouldn't expect UBI.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by deaux »

sph wrote: post #649
deaux wrote: post #473

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I question how universal that is. There seems to be a meaningful difference between Altman and Amodei, for one. The Whatsapp founder was a decent guy as well, and I believe him when he claims to genuinely regret selling out. I'm sure there's more examples. I think that framing at is "the system is set up this way" reads too passive. It reads as if it excuses the likes of Sam Altman, Mark Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, Peter…

If I had a dime for every “good guy founder regrets selling out to Evil Corp, despite making billions in the process”, I’d be a billionaire myself

Really? I'd love to know other good examples, because he's the only one I know who has been so public about it including taking several meaningful actions as a result.

Re: AI Will Be Met with Violence, and Nothing Good Will Come of It

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Post by jfengel »

zdragnar wrote: post #578
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UBI is not welfare. It is just a livable minimum wage, for everyone who works. For those who cannot work, it replaces welfare, but that is not it's primary purpose. As a welfare replacement, it is much more efficient, since there is no effort spent determining who qualifies. People can spent their money however they want, rather than the patchwork of separate programs we have now. It doesn't need to bring anyone down…

The annual minimum wage (at the federal level, not counting states with higher) is around $15k. There are about 267 million adults in the US. That is double current federal and state welfare spending. I'm dead tired right now so I'm sure I'm missing something, but considering that is far below the poverty threshold in any big city, I dont think we'll be solving anything by eliminating welfare in favor of UBI. UBI is…

That sounds right. But I think that's a reasonable goal.

It doesn't benefit the wealthy at all. They come off worse for it. (There are revenue-neutral versions but I don't think they suffice.) But I believe that they can afford it, and will find the result a healthier America that they won't want to abandon.

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Post by Anamon »

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"no large scale test" seems false -- there have been several? "Compatible with current version of captialism" -- the whole point of UBI is to create a new form of capitalism

I'm sorry, but we might have different definitions of "large scale". There's functional, feasible, and cultural differences when it comes to trying it on 5,000 people in a small town, versus trying it on a whole state / big city and etc.

And within a limited timeframe. I'd expect people in such experimemts to act differently when they're aware that after x months/years, they'll have to find their place in the same capitalist economy again.

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Post by DemocracyFTW2 »

rayiner wrote: post #208
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I wholeheartedly agree with and encourage this kind of academic distinction. However... Until people with billions of dollars behind them do something with that money to offset the financial hardship that they're knowingly - and gleefully - bringing to others... The distinction has no practical use. (And before someone says "that's the government's job!", consider how much lobbying money is coming from CEOs and compa…

How much actual money do you think the “people with billions of dollars” have in comparison to the needs of the population as a whole? I think you’re very confused about where the actual income in the economy goes.

Billionaires have no right to exist, at all.

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Post by DemocracyFTW2 »

logicchains wrote: post #567
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I'd like to emphasize that the above should be immediately obvious. The fact that it's not does not bode well for humanity's future. Billionaires simply _should not exist_. The fact that the power to shape societies is concentrated in so few can account for many of the existential threats we face today. AI is not "the problem", it's merely the latest symptom of our broken system and the prioritization of the wrong go…

>Billionaires simply _should not exist_. T If American billionaires couldn't exist then America would be even poorer and underdeveloped than Europe, the entire tech industry wouldn't exist, and it'd be entirely at the mercy of China. Because nobody's going to start a business in a country that violently confiscates their wealth just for being successful. The envy of people like yourself is a deep moral illness that d…

> America would be even poorer and underdeveloped than Europe

Sounds like a self-defeating argument to me.

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

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I guess the parent was saying since there is no evidence, then it didn't happen. Almost sounding like a conspiracy, like the 30k death are fake. And you are simply saying, the Iranian Gov is blocking the information, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

We have not been shown any evidence that shows anything approaching this scale of people dead, we have not been told on what basis that specific number of deaths was determined and we have not been told why that supposed evidence can not be made public. 30 thousand killed in the span of two days would make this one of the bloodiest massacres in history. I don't see how that would not result in at least a single photo…

Yeah. Guess that is good point.

During Covid, there were satellite pictures of mass graves. There is a certain amount of logistics with moving a lot of dead bodies, that is hard to hide.

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Post by gherkinnn »

SoftTalker wrote: post #542
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Actually this is another good counterexample! As I recall, Incas lost battles against the Spaniards where they had something like 100x the numbers. It's true that they were initially divided, but they quickly united against the Spanish--and it didn't really help. The technological advantage was insurmountable.

> The technological advantage was insurmountable How's that playing out in the Middle East in 2026?

Pizarro might have been illiterate but I did not get the impression that he was a moron. That last bit is a crucial ingredient.

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Post by nailer »

balamatom wrote: post #659
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Yes. That also takes resources away from people experiencing actual violence. The qualifier “physical violence” isn’t used by people that deal with violence. They use the term “violence”. “Intellectual violence” is a term used by cowardly people that desire power and wish not to be challenged by others. Those people must be mocked at every opportunity to ensure they are never taken seriously.

Oh so you want to beat people, but you don't want people to beat you? Such a brilliant insight!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47750381

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Post by alsetmusic »

rayiner wrote: post #223
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I am not at all proposing that "people with billions of dollars" somehow directly pay for "the needs of the population as a whole". I'm considering "actual power", rather than "actual income".

Then who pays for it?

We all do. With our taxes. It’s just that the people allocate our taxes refuse to spend it responsibly. We could fix education. We could take care of the unhoused. We could treat addiction. We could pay for healthcare for everyone. They’d much rather blow money on military spending and stupid unnecessary wars and funding genocide.

The richest nation in world history and we can’t spend any of it for the betterment of our citizens. It’s disgraceful.

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