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New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by luma »

bluescrn wrote: post #503
0xedd wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None I know did. If you do your research, all the hype around Bambu is paid. Influencers pushed it. Tech deep dives show it is sub standard. Posted on HN. Prusa is king. High quality. Open source. EU made and engineered. Slicer is a market leader (Bambu's a fork of it).

Prusa may still be king if you're using printers commercially, running them hard 24/7 in a print farm, wanting to be sure your investment has a decent lifespan with readily-available spare parts and upgrade options. But it's a premium brand now. For lighter use by hobbyists, Bambu is the clear winner on price/performance. The 'less open' downside is not a factor to most people, and the printers generally work so well…

If your goal is to buy the cheapest machine you can find in the world, chances are good everything you buy is going to come from China. That Prusa Mk3 you bought ages ago can be upgraded to the latest model, which means you have the option of turning that device into a lifetime machine, something ONLY Prusa offers.

Yes, the initial purchase price is higher, the lifetime price might not be.

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Post by Stefan-H »

ssl-3 wrote: post #658
ptorrone wrote: post #642

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(posting this in both comments about this) i am the author of the article. the adafruit blog is not trying to block you my dude(s). we are under constant automated scraping and ddos, largely from ai crawlers, and we use cloudflare to keep the site online at all. the nature of of these things will cause false positives depending on browser, extensions, network, or referrer. the site publishs full-text rss feeds with n…

When companies that earn their money by selling things deliberately make their website hard to access ( especially for scrapers -- of any sort), then they're making a choice to abandon their customers. It seems ruthlessly disappointing to consider, but maybe Adafruit isn't cut out for this whole Internet thing.

Can you elaborate on the logic that makes preventing scrapers (note, you didn't mention actually hindering accessibility technologies) customer antagonistic?

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Post by jeroenhd »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #637
dogtimeimmortal wrote: post #583

> blog.adafruit.com Your browser is out of date. Update your browser to view this site properly. Click here for more information if you care about right to repair and the ability of regular people to make a living and choose their own destiny(i.e. live independently of a mega-corp), this type of error message should bother you. HTML is a mature tech. There is no reason for this type of error

If you're using a browser more than a year old it's also much more likely you're vulnerable to zero-day exploits. Browser tech is a lot different than it was 10 years ago.

That error message almost always means someone is using an extremely obscure browser that doesn't pass Cloudflare's not-a-bot-check.

Either the browser has Javascript disabled (Tor), or its Javascript engine is very outdated/broken (a couple of old Firefox forks) or doesn't support Javascript at all.

It doesn't necessarily mean the browser is vulnerable to anything, just that it's not a browser normal websites would expect to encounter so the bot check fails.

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Post by luma »

greenavocado wrote: post #664
hactually wrote: post #214

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Just imagine what happens when lawmakers discover the possibilities of every one with access to a lathe or CNC machine. Absolutely ridiculous.

They are trying to criminalize everyone who uses a normal lathe or a normal CNC without a permit House Bill 2321 (HB-2321) proposes exemptions only for machines with licensed AI firmware that connects to blacklists, potentially requiring refits or licensing for machine shops. https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2025/A2228

Really looking forward to NY funding upgrades to the computers connected to CNC machines which tend to be pre-2000 vintage running software that's even older.

The entire concept is absurd on about 10 different levels.

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Post by ssl-3 »

Stefan-H wrote: post #672
ssl-3 wrote: post #658

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When companies that earn their money by selling things deliberately make their website hard to access ( especially for scrapers -- of any sort), then they're making a choice to abandon their customers. It seems ruthlessly disappointing to consider, but maybe Adafruit isn't cut out for this whole Internet thing.

Can you elaborate on the logic that makes preventing scrapers (note, you didn't mention actually hindering accessibility technologies) customer antagonistic?

When a product doesn't show up at all using the [potential] customer's chosen tools (whether a search engine like Google, or an LLM like ChatGPT), then that product is invisible.

An invisible product is one that may as well not exist. When a person can't find it, then they also can't purchase it.

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Post by __turbobrew__ »

bhawks wrote: post #366

The only logical end of this is that they should ban 3d printers and cnc mills to unlicensed individuals. Which, is probably the goal. Things like 3d printers, drones, GPUs, general purpose computers, vpns, encryption, talking to people in private and the like are far too dangerous for the citizenry to be allowed to do without appropriate oversight and approval.

OI WHERE IS YOUR GPU LOISENCE!?!?

Re: New York’s budget bill would require “blocking technology” on all 3D printers

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

The law says nothing about flashing firmware, just point of sale delivery. The first thing you do after buying a new printer is update the firmware. As is, this law is a joke written by someone who has never setup their own printer.

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Post by MegaDeKay »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #464
robflynn wrote: post #213

My main concern is, how long is it before you can't print a replacement part for something you bought because it looks too similar to an OEM part and the manufacturer doesn't think you should be able to do that so they throw a little money to the right politician.

Too bad everyone jumped shipped to Bambuu Labs. If only we still had open source hardware.

We still have open source hardware in Voron. High performance and almost infinitely moddable. Pair it with the open source Klipper firmware and open source slicer OrcaSlicer and you're there.

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Post by parineum »

delecti wrote: post #590
tbrownaw wrote: post #298

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So a bit under 5% per the rest of the numbers in that link.

I can't find the detailed breakdown for 2025, but in 2024, they took in $308bn in premiums and paid out $264bn in medical costs. So even ignoring all of the downstream and systemic problems caused by insurance existing as a for-profit entity, they're taking 14% off the top just to exist as a middle-man. https://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/content/dam/UHG/PDF/invest...

> they took in $308bn in premiums and paid out $264bn in medical costs ... they're taking 14% off the top just to exist as a middle-man.

In 2023, they had a 0.8% profit margin[0]. 9 billion dollars in a trillion dollar industry.

Ignoring the disingenuous framing ("taking off the top" including how much they pay their employees), how does that compare to other industries?

[0]https://content.naic.org/sites/default/files/2024-annual-hea...

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