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Post by sigwinch »

sarchertech wrote: post #665
mindslight wrote: post #328

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One failing of framing it as " just ... since television became widespread " is that it ignores the actual power "television" (really, mass media, and now individually-tailored mass media) has to exert effective population control. The worrying thing here isn't so much the specific draconian actions themselves, but how much of the population is actively and gleefully cheering for them. And as it's obvious that none o…

Convincing the Federal government to voluntarily relinquish power, or forcing them to do so is probably the hardest and least likely possible change we could make to our system of government. Positing that as some kind of easier more realistic stopgap vs essentially any other reform is bordering on madness.

Even though Ron Paul gets reelected, we do not know how he’d rule as a leader

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by carlosft »

rus20376 wrote: post #660

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There is a lot of room between unfettered immigration and having a roving band of apparently unaccountable agents violating 1st, 4th, and 6th amendment rights while also gunning down unarmed citizens in the streets.

We could try mandating e-verify with increasing penalties before we start asking people for papers and kicking down doors.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jjice »

taurath wrote: post #53
eoskx wrote: post #14

Glad to see this post didn't get flagged like the one that was posted yesterday on a similar topic about ICE data mining and user tracking. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46748336

It likely will. There’s major impact on literally everyone in tech, there’s huge data privacy concerns, and it has less coverage or discussion than a new version of jQuery. The US gov could fall but that would count as politics here so clearly irrelevant.

Tons of political posts are on the front page of Hacker News all the time. The ones I actually see get flagged are generally bad articles. Sure, there's real stuff that gets flagged down too, but Hacker News is far from a place where politics is always flagged.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by hwguy45 »

mikeyouse wrote: post #636
josephcsible wrote: post #495

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> FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to. Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly?

ICE isn’t auditing Medicaid FFS. And no, there’s absolutely no evidence they’re getting access to Medicaid. They’re single mindedly looking for undocumented immigrants to deport.

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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by jesterson »

cauch wrote: post #554
rlt wrote: post #510

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If there were any evidence of widespread deportations of people who shouldn't be then I think you'd see more people speaking up, but there's not. People don't have to caveat their support of every policy with hypotheticals. I also don't think most people want illegal aliens to be deported for "justice". They (rightfully or wrongly) think they're taking their jobs, contributing to crime, facilitating drug trade, costi…

> I also don't think most people want illegal aliens to be deported for "justice". They (rightfully or wrongly) think they're taking their jobs, contributing to crime, facilitating drug trade, costing taxpayers money, etc. That's my point and the reason of my first comment, which answered to a comment saying > Immigration laws, like any other laws, need to be enforced, right? I was reacting to that by saying that we…

> I was reacting to that by saying that we should not pretend that the motivation here is "applying the law". It is not the case and it never was. (and also that "applying the law" does imply a balance between false positive and false negative, but that suddenly, trying to avoid the false negative is strangely not applying the law)

What is the motivation here then? In your opinion?

And speaking of false positives, could you explain what you mean by that?

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Post by cthalupa »

cma256 wrote: post #385
neumann wrote: post #358

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I don't understand your question. What does citizenship got to do with this?

I thought GP was arguing they were trying to find non-citizens on the voter rolls to intimidate them (which may be a misreading).

No.

There are not non-citizens on voter rolls. They want the rolls to get data on voters.

When you ask yourself why the ultra-politicized DOJ (which isn't even the DHS...) from an administration that has explicitly called liberals the enemy is asking for voter rolls, it becomes pretty understandable why people might come to the conclusion that it is to suppress the people that have already explicitly been identified as targets.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by hwguy45 »

vannucci wrote: post #424
kjellsbells wrote: post #240

FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Then again, we have ICE shooting American citizens in the streets, so I guess the law is whatever they decide it is, not least because our legislative branch is uninterested in laws. https://www.congres…

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Post by instagraham »

jacquesm wrote: post #668
instagraham wrote: post #662

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I find it odd that Americans aren't angrier about Russia running disinfo bot networks for over a decade now, building up to almost everything in the current cultural moment. Also odd that the tech behind this isn't more talked about. I lost the source but there was something about bot networks that could argue both sides of a topic to feign the illusion of a real debate - and this predated ChatGPT by many years. Big…

I think in part this is because it would require them to admit that they've been had, which is even worse than to have to admit you're a terrible person. Being terrible is one thing, most people can handle that. Being so utterly dumb that you've been carrying water against your own country and effectively are in every sense of the word a useful idiot is a thing most people would shy away from. Psychology is weird. As…

In some sense, it is a part of one's identity, for one can't easily separate the worldview from the person. But we enter a strange era when your identity is challenged and remoulded by a non-human entity.

People have always derived a tribal sense of belonging from a set of worldviews, but these views are now perpetuated by robots. These anti-immigration or anti-brown or post-renaissance worldviews are lived by very few people of flesh and blood - it's a set of interlinked concepts and ideals in an imaginary post-truth world.

But it lives more in silicon than in some Aryan ideal. And if you had to draw a line from this silicon to reality, you'd still end up in Crimea or in Pokrovsk, watching a 21st-century battle with echoes of WWI. It is about land and power and politics, like it always has been. But the person fighting "woke" in a comment section over a made-up story about a made-up Disney film doesn't know it.

I'm in India, so the second-order effects of all this are even more surreal here. You get Christians cheering the rise of a Hindutva nationalist government because it's "anti-woke" (only to get heckled and beaten up during Christmas) and Trump supporters doing religious ceremonies for the man for the same reason (only to get the nation's entire suite of exports tariffed), and you see cabs with giant Russia Today ads on their sides in the streets (but the discounted oil we buy from Russia has not dropped prices at the pump by even a rupee). Our lived reality has very little in common with these digital culture wars.

Sorry for the tangent.

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Post by hwguy45 »

carlosft wrote: post #672
rus20376 wrote: post #660

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There is a lot of room between unfettered immigration and having a roving band of apparently unaccountable agents violating 1st, 4th, and 6th amendment rights while also gunning down unarmed citizens in the streets. We could try mandating e-verify with increasing penalties before we start asking people for papers and kicking down doors.

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Post by gassi »

RickJWagner wrote: post #561
direwolf20 wrote: post #549

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> Which posts are people being jailed for?

Google turns up many. Here’s one, you can easily find more. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr548zdmz3jo

> Parlour, of Seacroft, Leeds, who called for an attack on a hotel housing refugees and asylum seekers on Facebook, became the first person to be jailed for stirring up racial hatred during the disorder.

> Kay was convicted after he used social media to call for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set alight.

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