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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by ThunderSizzle »

croes wrote: post #643
bko wrote: post #636

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Harvard doesn't have higher academic standards for foreign students. So I don't think foreign students are any "better or brighter" than their American counterparts. So if you can find equally qualified American students on the margin shouldn't you do so? I think an American university that benefits greatly from American taxpayers and institutions should primarily benefit American students. If you're picking truly ex…

But foreign students pay foreign money which helps against the deficit. On top of that many students stay in the US afterwards means a brain plus for the US and a loss their home country. These kind of braun drain is a big advantage for the US they know destroy.

If that was the case, then these funding cuts wouldn't have any effect on Harvard.

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Post by jsemrau »

alephnerd wrote: post #245
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

> Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. Harvard and Yale didn't hire the right lobbyists [0][1][2] The other universities like Dartmouth, MIT, and public university systems did. One of the side effect of being large endowment private universities meant Harvard and Yale remained extremely insular and concentrated on donor relations over government…

>Harvard and Yale didn't hire the right lobbyists.

I don't think it's as simple as this. To my knowledge, Dr. Sian Leah Beilock handled the protests of the past 2 years much better than their counterparts.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

lesuorac wrote: post #125
insane_dreamer wrote: post #93

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Even if it were possible for Dems to get control of the house and impeach the prez, there is no way that Senate will convict unless the GOP Senate goes back to becoming the GOP instead of the MAGA-GOP, which seems extremely unlikely.

Its interesting, you don't have enough republicans united to pass any of the agenda as law instead of executive orders but you also don't have 3 republicans willing to break to impeach for doing stuff they don't want (otherwise they'd pass it as law).

Impeachment (in the senate its conviction, technically) requires 2/3 majority. So a few republicans breaking ranks isn't going to cut it. This is why impeachment over the Jan 6 coup attempt failed even though 7 "old guard" Republicans (i.e., Cheney) voted in favor.

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Post by alephnerd »

jsemrau wrote: post #672
alephnerd wrote: post #245

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> Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. Harvard and Yale didn't hire the right lobbyists [0][1][2] The other universities like Dartmouth, MIT, and public university systems did. One of the side effect of being large endowment private universities meant Harvard and Yale remained extremely insular and concentrated on donor relations over government…

>Harvard and Yale didn't hire the right lobbyists. I don't think it's as simple as this. To my knowledge, Dr. Sian Leah Beilock handled the protests of the past 2 years much better than their counterparts.

Oh easily! But the issue is Brian Ballard (their GOP lobbyist) stepped on a lot of feet and pissed people (primarily David Sacks) off, leading him to get metaphorically slapped by the Trump admin.

So they're frozen out from K-Street in the medium term.

On top of that, a couple extremely active and very wealthy alumni have continued to maintain a grudge and have an ear in the admin

And finally, it's an easy anti-establishment win.

Finally, this is specifically a Harvard College thing - the alumni of other schools at Harvard are much less... let's say idealistic.

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Post by flexagoon »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #601
redcobra762 wrote: post #584

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Or maybe he could care less, but doesn't even bother to care less because caring less would exert effort and he doesn't care enough to exert any effort.

Own the grammar mistake, my dude :)

The grammar mistake was done by a different person

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Post by tomhow »

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Post by drivingmenuts »

ceejayoz wrote: post #221
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Because they accidentally sent at least one person there already? Who remains there, despite SCOTUS ordering his return? https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf > Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight.” > The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his c…

That wasn’t an accident - it was a mistake, but there was nothing accidental about it.

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Post by moshegramovsky »

uxp100 wrote: post #551
moshegramovsky wrote: post #403

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Do you know any Israelis? What makes you think Israelis are behind this?

Are suggesting that average Israelis do not support the pressure campaign against universities, even those who generally support Israel’s actions in Gaza? Seems plausible, I haven’t seen any polling about that. If you are suggesting that Israeli politicians are not involved with American Israel supporters who are advocating a strict crackdown on speech at universities I don’t think that is plausible. We know there is…

I am suggesting that average Israelis citizens are not involved in campaigns against American universities.

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Post by labster »

bko wrote: post #636
kristopolous wrote: post #516

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Ah yes, this is how we will be competitive - defunding universities, deporting the best and brightest, dismantling education, and cutting off trade. I mean seriously, if a malicious saboteur was running things, what would the differences be?

Harvard doesn't have higher academic standards for foreign students. So I don't think foreign students are any "better or brighter" than their American counterparts. So if you can find equally qualified American students on the margin shouldn't you do so? I think an American university that benefits greatly from American taxpayers and institutions should primarily benefit American students. If you're picking truly ex…

It doesn’t actually matter if the foreign students are better or not: by having a mixed student body, with lots of cultures and backgrounds, students learn more from each other. They learn skills to work with other cultures, and ways of doing things that may be better.

Of course, in America’s future of autarky and Shogunate-style isolationism, those skills will no longer have any value, even to the elite. There’s no need to learn about other countries if everything we need is produced here and no one could ever threaten us once America is made great again. (/s maybe?)

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Post by arunabha »

The truly depressing thing is, a lot of people are actually happy about this action. How did things get so bad, so quickly?

People who lived under authoritarian regimes have long said that things move slowly at first, but after an inflection point, get real bad, real fast. It's one thing to understand that intellectually, quite another to witness it first hand.

Hopefully, the judiciary will block this particular madness, but then again, given the concerted effort over the past decade by Republicans to appoint right wing judges, the odds are not that great.

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