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Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by camel_Snake »

mlrtime wrote: post #595
WalterBright wrote: post #485

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> And the evidence that SpaceX is in the interest of American citizens is...? Starlink. The one that connected the N Carolina hurricane victims when FEMA failed, and then again in Los Angeles. NASA can now launch missions at 10% of the cost, due to SpaceX. > Neuralink existed for years before Musk. According to Google: "Neuralink, an invasive BCI company with a short-term goal of treating various neurological disorde…

There is nothing to be gained of defending Musks's positive contributions. These people are so locked into their mindset.

I think many people find cheaper launches for NASA very cool, but things like handing over restricted government data to Russia or throwing out vital medication in areas where its already been deployed vastly outweighs saving the federal government some bucks.

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Post by wordofx »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #669
wordofx wrote: post #666

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lol so you are ok with the party you oppose skipping votes for your party because it happened behind closed doors and poll watchers / challengers are not allowed in.

Voter fraud is something that (some) Republicans do to prove how easy it would be for Democrats to get away with it...and they always get caught.

And yet it democratic voting areas it’s democrats who are blocking poll watchers and challengers or are suspect of voter fraud when they don’t close voting or have suitcases randomly show up and quickly shuffled in.

It’s only democratic areas who don’t want voter id.

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Post by ethbr1 »

ANewFormation wrote: post #665
ethbr1 wrote: post #655

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> I miss the times when the free world had an articulate leader. Watching historical debates and speeches just makes me sad about the disparity with modern oratory.

Probably driven in large part by the expansion of the voting pool. Great political thinkers have no more appeal to the masses at large than Beethoven, Dostoevsky, or Linux. So we get entertainers and silver tongued devils for politicians whose primary skillset tends to overlap heavily with that of conmen. Speaking of figures with no mainstream appeal, Plato wrote extensively, and utterly prophetically, about this pha…

Trump's twice election certainly makes a case for universal voting, but maybe different individual vote weights?

Basic stuff, like if you don't know what 5 - 1/4 equals or what cells are. If not, maybe you shouldn't have as loud a say in choosing political leadership?

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Post by WalterBright »

camel_Snake wrote: post #671
mlrtime wrote: post #595

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There is nothing to be gained of defending Musks's positive contributions. These people are so locked into their mindset.

I think many people find cheaper launches for NASA very cool, but things like handing over restricted government data to Russia or throwing out vital medication in areas where its already been deployed vastly outweighs saving the federal government some bucks.

When $200b in spending is cut, it's inevitable there will be things like that. In every organization that needs to cut.

The US will shortly be in a doom loop of spending, which will have far worse effects.

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Post by digianarchist »

panick21_ wrote: post #549
_t9ow wrote: post #338

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I never understood why libertarians/free market proponents think that Singapore is the paragon of laissez-faire economics. Try studying the country's housing market policies, for example, and you'll quickly realise that the government is extremely interventionist. The difference is between Singaporean policymakers/civil servants and their counterparts from elsewhere is that the former are actually world-class in term…

While they are interventionist in some way, so is everybody else. The US government involvement in housing is gigantic as well. We can learn a lot from the policies, both free market and otherwise. And we shouldn't learn from others. No free market person thinks of Singapore as some prefect example. As that doesn't exist. So you have to take example from different places. And Singapore has more good examples then mos…

> The US government involvement in housing is gigantic as well.

Sure, from a financial perspective, particularly around mortgages.

Singapore owns the HDB, which owns the leasing rights to 80%+ of all residential property and almost all land in the country. Issuing 99 year leases to citizens and PRs.

Imagine if the US government owned all land rights, built virtually all apartments and instigated racial quotas to match the demographics of the country; then subsidized the price drastically to make it affordable for the population. That's what Singapore does.

This isn't unique either.

The other libertarian wet-dream Hong Kong has a similar land-leasing policy. The major difference there is that 999 year leases were allowed at one point (rare and no longer issued).

In fact the only freehold property in Hong Kong is St John’s Cathedral.

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Post by potato3732842 »

panick21_ wrote: post #627
ta1243 wrote: post #530

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Where congress just follows the party line. Or does back room deals I think the larger problem with democracy in general is that constituencies are no longer geographic. A software engineer in Austin and one in San Jose have far more in common than a software engineer in Austin and a Tractor dealer in Austin. The representative for Austin has to represent the conflicting views of both the Tractor dealer and the softw…

Back room deals aren't necessary a negative. That how the sausage is made. I rather have backroom deals when people can make rational compromise, rather then having media spectral where congress sessions are reality TV. Mostly used to get clips that can then be used in adds. > I think the larger problem with democracy in general is that constituencies are no longer geographic. I think that is a good point. Specifical…

>I rather have backroom deals when people can make rational compromise,

Along these lines, policy kind of went to shit when they got rid of earmarks.

It used to be some congressman from rural Ohio being able to vote in favor of union stuff his people want but the party doesn't because he knows the bill has some pork for his district to make his people happy so he'll be secure next election.

Now that guy's security next election is all dependent on party funding so he's gotta vote the party line every time and any deviations from the party line are a complex game of favor trading and backroom dealing and whatnot.

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Post by protimewaster »

porphyra wrote: post #609
542354234235 wrote: post #599

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Source? OP comment has actual numbers and sourcing, so to state otherwise needs more than taking your word for it.

* cars.com American made index: https://www.cars.com/american-made-index/ * kogod American auto index: https://kogod.american.edu/autoindex/2024

The Kogod index includes things that likely aren't considered by the government when considering if a product is American made, though. It considers things like where the headquarters is.

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Post by stubish »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #251
sinuhe69 wrote: post #212

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If the origins are so fuzzy, I guess other manufacturers would very soon adjust their part lists/part origins to avoid the tariff?

Fuzzy in the sense of "you need a bunch of experts and lawyers to sit down to determine what the correct answer for the government is in any specific situation". The work is exceedingly tedious and expensive. I was involved in similar efforts to remove Chinese parts from the supply chain during the previous Trump administration. It was a nightmare that involved dozens of people reviewing tens of thousands of parts ac…

Accounting tricks are likely the best option. Buy your offshore supplier, or setup an offshore reseller. Start supplying the components to yourself at a loss, making the cost of that component cheaper when it comes to tariffs or this 85% calculation. Increase profit margins to cover the offshore loss. Send money back offshore as part of some sort of suppliers agreement if you need to balance their books. Even if the gov tells you to stop it, it will have taken them a few years and any fines negotiable since politically they still want you happy enough to keep manufacturing onshore.

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Post by ffiirree »

neuroelectron wrote: post #582
cosmicgadget wrote: post #166

Let me make sure I understand this: the president is addressing the fentanyl state of emergency by tariffing imported vehicle parts from wherever?

You're not wrong to raise an eyebrow here — the connection between fentanyl and imported vehicle parts isn't exactly intuitive. Let's unpack this.

Denazifying fentanyl dealers
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