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Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by bmicraft »

arkey wrote: post #444
sneak wrote: post #314

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It is impossible to reconcile the idea of an omnipotent god that is simultaneously good and permits people to be tortured for eternity. Perhaps he chose the “god is good” over the “god, despite being able, will not prevent billions of reasonable and decent people from suffering eternally” fork in the road. You can’t logically choose both, and if you’re the pope, you probably had better have a belief in the goodness o…

People often think of hell as an active punishment form God, but for us humans it's not. Hell, whatever it is, is where people end up when they'd rather be there than be with Christ. God will never force you to love Him and accept Him. He gives you the choice, the rest is up to you.

Ah yes, "He/Him" - the original neo-pronoun if you will

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Post by andrepd »

neves wrote: post #543
chaorace wrote: post #504

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I rarely feel this way about someone of Pope Francis' age and social position, but I've genuinely admired Francis as a thinker. He was a bona fide Jesuit, through and through. The next pope has big shoes to fill.

Note that Antiqua et Nova was authored by the Church. With its profound philosophical tradition, the Church offers insights in this text that surpass anything ever written by Silicon Valley entrepreneurs.

> offers insights in this text that surpass anything ever written by Silicon Valley entrepreneurs

There's a low bar if there ever was one

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by j_timberlake »

exe34 wrote: post #422
jimmcslim wrote: post #237

The Vatican published an interesting document on AI [1], which attributes a number of quotes to Pope Francis: * As Pope Francis noted, the machine “makes a technical choice among several possibilities based either on well-defined criteria or on statistical inferences. Human beings, however, not only choose, but in their hearts are capable of deciding." * In light of this, the use of AI, as Pope Francis said, must be…

> but in their hearts are capable of deciding I question both the organ and the action.

People downvote this guy because obviously nobody actually thinks with their blood-pumping organ.

But as for the quote, it's incredibly clear how little empathy most people have towards others, to the point where AI will easily out-empathy them, both as a conversationalist and as a robotic assistant (such as a 24/7 robot nurse with no other patients).

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by andrepd »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #617
neves wrote: post #543

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Note that Antiqua et Nova was authored by the Church. With its profound philosophical tradition, the Church offers insights in this text that surpass anything ever written by Silicon Valley entrepreneurs.

Indeed. I’ll also add that many of his admirers as well as his detractors exaggerated his virtues, his merits, and his flaws. He was both the victim of a media and film industry all too eager to spin him into the “progressive pope” — never shying away from quoting him out of context to push an agenda — and the issuer of problematic and ambiguous documents and off-the-cuff remarks that only served to generate confusio…

But jesuits are historically linked to education and the sciences, this is a fact.

I agree with the "ambiguous statements" though.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by JasserInicide »

permo-w wrote: post #665
JasserInicide wrote: post #623

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does it really matter if it can be described as cognition or not? Yes...it does. "AI" aka modern flavor LLMs as we understand them today are just doing certain things thats humans can do but orders of magnitude faster. What exactly is impressive about it being able to succinctly sum up any topic under the Sun aside from the speed? It will never create a new genre of music. It will never create a new style of art from…

isn't it funny that half the time when you see criticism of LLMs it's almost like the words have been stolen from someone else? the opinion you're parroting here completely misses the point of LLMs. their purpose is not to start artistic movements or liberally think for themselves and no one is claiming it is. their purpose is to accelerate information retrieval and translation and programming tasks, which they by an…

their purpose is not to start artistic movements or liberally think for themselves and no one is claiming it is.

your "spark of ingenuity" is not lacking because of some issue or lack of creativity, it's lacking because it's not the point and no one wants it to be.

There are plenty of people/communities online that want it to be exactly that and want to remove the pesky human element from the equation. Dismissing them because it doesn't fit your argument doesn't mean they don't exist.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by Ey7NFZ3P0nzAe »

hylaride wrote: post #341
andybak wrote: post #251

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The bible only has sparse and often contradictory references to hell - so it's very difficult to state "what the Bible says about hell" as if there's a unified picture laid out.

I've heard descriptions of hell of everything from the classic "fire and torture" we all know, to it being a total and complete detachment from god (in a disappointed and kicked out of the house by your parents kind of way). It's similar to descriptions of Satin. Everything from the horns and pitchfork all the way down to a "beautiful fallen angel" that he technically was explained to be in the bible. I've always jus…

I highly recommend the youtube channel hochelaga. He's the one behind "biblically accurate" stuff

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by andrepd »

carlos-menezes wrote: post #23

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2025-04/pope-francis... > According to Archbishop Diego Ravelli, Master of Apostolic Ceremonies, the late Pope Francis had requested that the funeral rites be simplified and focused on expressing the faith of the Church in the Risen Body of Christ. Always struck me as a simple man and that likely contributed to people liking him more when compared to his predecessors. RIP.

More than concrete actions, his posture and presentation as a simple man is probably his most recognisable legacy for believers and nonbelievers.

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Post by andrepd »

emmelaich wrote: post #101
carlos-menezes wrote: post #54

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He was, but John Paul II was traditionally conservative. I think Francis resonated with more people–Christian or not–because he emphasized compassion, humility, and social justice. He spoke more openly about issues like poverty, climate change, and inclusion–his encyclical LAUDATO SI’ is a great read–, and he often used language and gestures that the "common man" could relate to. Perhaps the way he dressed so simply–…

I think it's interesting that PJII was very popular with Catholics and possibly less so with non-Christian. Despite or because being more conservative? He was also a very good man and humble.

He also covered up sexual abuses, game power to the Opus Dei, and aggressively pushed the disgusting mandate against condoms in the middle of the AIDS pandemic. Yeah, not a fan.

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Post by philsnow »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #500
ralfd wrote: post #255

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> including rightfully limiting the Latin mass Why is that a political thing though? The mass of the roman church was for centuries (almost all it’s history?) in latin.

Imagine going to church every Saturday or Sunday and sitting through a 1 hour service that you don't understand. The conservative side of the church has decided that it hates change, and since the Latin services were mostly cast aside, that's a bad thing to them.

The dozen or so TLMs I've ever been to have had their readings in the vernacular. All the other parts are either the same every time (or have only a few variations) or are propers (specific to each day).

I never studied Latin, but I don't find it difficult at all to keep up. A lot of churches that have TLM have the missal booklet with Latin on one page and vernacular on the facing page.

While I do appreciate the richness of the daily propers and miss understanding them, it doesn't bother me enough to avoid the TLM.

Re: Pope Francis has died

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Post by matteoraso »

bonzini wrote: post #626
matteoraso wrote: post #508

RIP. I think history will find Pope Francis to be a man who was a fairly average pope that constantly got taken out of context. Nothing he did was really far out of line with Catholic doctrine, but he was often portrayed as being more liberal than he really was.

> Nothing he did was really far out of line with Catholic doctrine Maybe he was merely good at pointing out the obvious, maybe it's what the church needed/needs?

Yeah, I can see that. Having a pope that's denounced by more conservative Catholics for truly believing in Catholic ethics shone a light on how far people were straying from the church. Really makes the pope look a bit like a Christ figure, when you think of it like that.
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