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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by k31n_n4m3 » Sun, Mar 30, 2025, 10:33 AM UTC

LinuxBender wrote: post #464

dorfsmay wrote: post #131

Bosch! I ran into the same situation. I specifically told the salesperson I didn't want wifi, and they told me it's only if you want it to operate from your phone. I was done installing it and got rid of the packaging by the time I read that it needs to use their website for some functions. Beside the fact that I doubt the store would take it back after using it for a week or two and havi go no packaging, I had no ti…

I just had a similar issue with action cameras. My options are GoPro overheats and short battery life , DJI app banned in the store that I would not use regardless , insta360 / akaso which appear to both be the same shell companies and their camera can't even activate without an app despite the vendor promising otherwise. Returned and one starred all that junk. I would like to find a true stand-alone professional ful…

The Sony RX0 II is a normal camera in an action cam form factor, no app required. Battery life is only about 30 minutes but you can swap batteries.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by inferiorhuman » Sun, Mar 30, 2025, 11:04 PM UTC

darkwater wrote: post #354

inferiorhuman wrote: post #258

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The previous generation of Bosch dishwashers in the US were WiFi free. The current generation went through a round of cost cutting and added WiFi bullshit to everything. No idea what the state is of their appliances sold in other markets. As far as I can tell Electrolux is the only manufacturer selling "dumb" laundry kit in the US these days… which is probably part of why everyone's favorite LG shills (Yale Appliance…

> The current generation went through a round of cost cutting and added WiFi bullshit to everything I'm no dishwasher expert and I guess they did their homework but over a period of 10 years, how can be cheaper to remove the local functionality, add a wifi chip, redo the manuals, and pay for the datacenter costs?

Ah, I meant cost cutting elsewhere. For instance the Bosch dishwasher I have came with two utensil holders, no WiFi, and real buttons. The newer versions come with one utensil holder, fake buttons, and WiFi.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 2:17 PM UTC

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #659

kube-system wrote: post #540

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That could be because in many situations (crimes of opportunity) thieves don’t have the luxury of time to evaluate the model of a phone before they steal it. Google needs to step their shit up.

That isn't really consistent with the statistics either: If that was happening then the theft rate should approximate the penetration, but it's still higher for iPhones, implying that the thieves actually prefer them. That makes sense if they e.g. have a higher resale value, but only if they have a higher resale value and the thieves are choosing them on purpose as a result.

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Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by methods21 » Mon, Mar 31, 2025, 5:31 PM UTC

Reminds me of the BMW Heated Seats SaaS option.

What's even worse is the planned obsolescence, its such a huge waste of resources. I had a GE DW and fridge from the 1950s until 1995 and they still worked, albeit were a funky lime greenish color. And that DW washed the dishes better than the new replacement. Currently dealing with a 2 year old LG fridge that is dead.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by LinuxBender » Wed, Apr 02, 2025, 3:30 PM UTC

k31n_n4m3 wrote: post #671

LinuxBender wrote: post #464

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I just had a similar issue with action cameras. My options are GoPro overheats and short battery life , DJI app banned in the store that I would not use regardless , insta360 / akaso which appear to both be the same shell companies and their camera can't even activate without an app despite the vendor promising otherwise. Returned and one starred all that junk. I would like to find a true stand-alone professional ful…

The Sony RX0 II is a normal camera in an action cam form factor, no app required. Battery life is only about 30 minutes but you can swap batteries.

Thankyou I will research that one.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by trinix912 » Sun, Apr 06, 2025, 7:59 PM UTC

uselesswords wrote: post #619

nkurz wrote: post #543

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It's a mixture of things, some philosophical and some practical. I live in a very rural area with poor cell phone coverage. I'm happy to provide a WiFi signal for the lost people who are in front of my house trying to figure out why their GPS has led them here. We get a few each year, because Google Maps shows the road past my house going through while in reality it's closed in winter. I also like it that I don't nee…

These are all practical reasons, not really philosophical. Unless any form of logic is philosophical but then everything is. If your claiming your philosophical stance is setting passwords doesn’t provide security, by your own reasoning in your case that’s just a matter of practicality. There is no philosophical argument. > More generally, I don't think that closed networks substantially improve security and I don't…

Sorry but I fail to comprehend what you are trying to do here. First you say that none of their reasons are philosophical, then a few lines down you go after the person by "I mean that’s just your opinion, not a philosophical stance, and it happens to be a empirically demonstrably false one."

Isn't that exactly what a philosophical stance is? Someone's personal opinion, whether it be right or wrong (in your book). Honestly, I find your response quite rude compared to the general tone of responses on this site.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by paulddraper » Sun, Apr 06, 2025, 9:14 PM UTC

JohnFen wrote: post #613

pkulak wrote: post #601

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I disagree. Moving stuff to an API with full local control is a UI decision. Moving it to the cloud is a privacy and obsolescence decision. Huge difference.

Using an app has inherent security implications (it's very, very hard to trust apps). However, I agree that in terms of security, using an app with local control is better than something cloud-connected. My primary issue with requiring the use of an app is that apps are a pain in the ass. Allow the use of an app as an option, sure, but the appliances should be able to be fully used with the controls on the appliance…

Hence the UX decision

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by arandomsapien » Sun, Apr 06, 2025, 10:26 PM UTC

dawnerd wrote: post #65

kulahan wrote: post #46

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If your audience is big enough, your complaints can end up hitting their pocket book.

Exactly. I'm in the market for a Dishwasher and was highly considering a Bosch based on all the positive reviews from CR and such. Now I'm not considering them at all.

Same exact story here. I was heavily leaning towards Bosch because "buy once, cry once" and their products seemed very high quality. I'll be looking elsewhere now.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by bgnn » Sun, Apr 06, 2025, 10:32 PM UTC

sofixa wrote: post #460

Gibbon1 wrote: post #448

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"you can't store all usage data on the machine itself" I can buy 128M flash for $2/10k

Flash that will survive the heat and humidity of a washing machine for a decade?

I'm pretty sure most app support will be dropped before that.

Re: I won't connect my dishwasher to your cloud

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Post by bgnn » Sun, Apr 06, 2025, 10:44 PM UTC

I guess this is an American market thing. Most Bosch dishwashers in EU do not come with this stupid app. Almost all have displays and physical buttons.