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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by lm28469 »

dauhak wrote: post #425
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #300

I'm confused and a bit disturbed; honestly having a very difficult time internalizing and processing this information. This announcement is making me wonder if I'm poorly calibrated on the current progress of AI development and the potential path forward. Is the key idea here that current AI development has figured out enough to brute force a path towards AGI? Or I guess the alternative is that they expect to figure…

> Is the key idea here that current AI development has figured out enough to brute force a path towards AGI? My sense anecdotally from within the space is yes people are feeling like we most likely have a "straight shot" to AGI now. Progress has been insane over the last few years but there's been this lurking worry around signs that the pre-training scaling paradigm has diminishing returns. What recent outputs like…

Yeah that's called wishful thinking when it's not straight up pipe dreams. All these people have horses in the race

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by andy_ppp »

amelius wrote: post #665
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

I would love for Oracle to use AI to put their entire legal department out of work, though.

So you want them to be infinitely more litigious?

A serious question though, what does happen when AIs are filing lawsuits autonomously on behalf of the powerful, the courts clearly won't be able to cope unless you have AI powered courts too? None of how these monumental changes will work has been thought through at all, let's hope AI is smart enough to tell us what to do...

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by nejsjsjsbsb »

CSSer wrote: post #622
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

Eliminating some student debt is a fish. Free university is the fishing rod. Do that instead.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by andy_ppp »

bayindirh wrote: post #654
fsndz wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you prefer ? Letting DeepSeek and China lead the AI war ? DeepSeek R1 is a big wake up call https://open.substack.com/pub/transitions/p/deepseek-is-comi...

Us vs. Them. My favorite perspective [0]. Regarding to your question, yes. I'd prefer a healthy counterbalance to what we have currently. Ideally, I'd prefer cooperation. A worldwide cooperation. [0]: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_AiI9_XIAA67_t.jpg

Arguably the cooperation between the US and China has lead to the most economic growth and prosperity in human history, it's a shame the US and China are returning to a former time.

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Post by rpastuszak »

bayindirh wrote: post #654
fsndz wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you prefer ? Letting DeepSeek and China lead the AI war ? DeepSeek R1 is a big wake up call https://open.substack.com/pub/transitions/p/deepseek-is-comi...

Us vs. Them. My favorite perspective [0]. Regarding to your question, yes. I'd prefer a healthy counterbalance to what we have currently. Ideally, I'd prefer cooperation. A worldwide cooperation. [0]: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_AiI9_XIAA67_t.jpg

Treating the world as a bunch of football teams is a great distraction though.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

roenxi wrote: post #649
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

That sentiment calls for reflection - whoever ends up on top of the heap after the AI craze settles down is going to be someone that everyone objects to. Elon Musk was himself an internet darling up until he became wealthy and entrenched. That said, this does look like dreadful policy at the first headline. There is a lot of money going in to AI, adding more money from the US taxpayer is gratuitous. Although in the s…

> That sentiment calls for reflection - whoever ends up on top of the heap after the AI craze settles down is going to be someone that everyone objects to.

Did we see the same fallout from the space-race from a couple generations ago?

I don't think so — certainly not in the way you're framing it. So I guess I don't accept your proposition as a guarantee of what will happen.

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Post by nejsjsjsbsb »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #625
CSSer wrote: post #622

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

This is the problem with capitalists / the billionaires currently hoarding the money and the US' policy, it's all for short term gain. But the conservatives that look back to the 50's or 80's or whatever decade their rose-tinted glasses are tuned to should also realise that the good parts of that came from families not being neck-deep in debt.

Yes you don't want to destroy your food chain. If everyone is poor except you then you are now poor.

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Post by farresito »

deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

I disagree with you. I think the impact of AI on society in the long term is going to be massive, and such investments are necessary. If we look at the past century, technology has had (in my opinion) and incredibly positive impact on society. You have to invest in the future.

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Post by DrScientist »

If I understand correctly - if you are training a model to perform a particular task - in the end what matters is the training data - and by and large different models will largely converge on the best representation of that data for the given task, given enough compute.

So that means the models themselves aren't really IP - they are inevitable outputs from optimising using the input data for a certain task.

I think this means pretty much everyone, apart from the AI companies - will see these models as pre-competitive.

Why spend huge amounts training the same model multiple times, when you can collaborate?

Note it only takes one person/company/country to release an open source model for a particular task to nuke the business model of those companies that have a business model of hoarding them.

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Post by tim333 »

dbspin wrote: post #650
tim333 wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>wars which break out because of scarcity issues That doesn't seem to be much of a thing these days. If you look at Russia/Ukraine or China/Taiwan there's not much scarcity. It's more bullying dictator wants to control the neighbours issues.

There's a terrifying amount of food insecurity and poverty in Russia - https://www.globalhungerindex.org/russia.html - https://databankfiles.worldbank.org/public/ddpext_download/p...

Your first link says "With a score under 5, Russian Federation has a level of hunger that is low."

The current situation with Russia and China seems caused by them becoming prosperous. In the 1960s in China and 1990s in Russia they were broke. Now they have money they can afford to put it into their militaries and try to attack the neighbours.

I'm reminded of the KAL cartoon on Russia https://www.economist.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1424,quality=8... That was from 2014. Already Russia is heading to the next panel in the cycle.

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