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US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by pcthrowaway »

joe200 wrote: post #599
pcthrowaway wrote: post #579

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And both parties are almost exactly the same with foreign policy. The "two-party system" in the U.S. is perhaps broken beyond repair, and presents an illusion of choice in many ways rather than an actual choice.

I was referring to "how could you be sure that American made LLMs are not altered in a way to maximize US interests at the costs of everyone else's." But your answer intelligently redirecs focus to different topic. Is it on purpose ?

I wasn't responding to any upthread point you might have made about LLMs, I was responding to your suggestion that U.S. is more democratic than China. I don't see much of a difference, and if anything there's a very real possibility the two-party system allows people in charge of policy to distract from many issues with partisan politics.

Both parties are the same with how they cater to the wealthy and the capitalist class. Compared to China where there is one party, sure, but elected officials arguably work more directly for the working class.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by karmasimida »

gpm wrote: post #82
polski-g wrote: post #67

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Tiktok servers will be banned at the T1 carrier level, probably.

Do you have a source that the act is being interpreted by the government to include prohibiting network operators from serving traffic? That definitely seems like it would be a stretch given the text of the act The act prohibits > (A) Providing services to distribute, maintain, or update such foreign adversary controlled application (including any source code of such application) by means of a marketplace (including…

Here is my question

If TikTok is no longer allowed to be hosted in US, how could they continue the service without transferring the data outside of US? It is going to be a bigger breach if they transfer US user data outside of US, right?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by mrbombastic »

mrbombastic wrote: post #52
toomuchtodo wrote: post #21

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It took forever for the US to do anything about Uber, Lyft, and Airbnb breaking the law. In a post competency, low regulation environment we’re entering, it makes sense to explore creative solutions to extend runway imho (vs immediately folding).

I would argue the lack of action against those was due to lack of political will. At least at the beginning many saw Uber and Airbnb as net positives, American led innovators offering competition to hotels and taxi cartels. TikTok on the other hand is getting hammered by both sides of the aisle. the incoming admin has its contradictions but has been pretty pro tariff / anti Chinese competition so I am not sure games…

I can’t edit this now but I see Trump has changed his tune on TikTok in another comment, so maybe they will have better luck.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by evoke4908 »

shlant wrote: post #493
HKH2 wrote: post #445

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Chinese Tiktok is forcibly wholesome (by Chinese standards). They do not believe in absolute freedom of speech. Now Americans have just conceded that they don't believe in it either. It's good that we're all on the same page now.

why does nobody know what freedom of speech is anymore...

They just read the title, not the article, then confabluate an entire world view from three words that are entirely untethered from the actual constitutional meaning.

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by ashconnor »

cakealert wrote: post #284

Maybe they will make the Tiktok website better now? Also Apple may be in an unpleasant position if Tiktok starts to aggressively push Android for sideloading. Children asking for Androids might be really bad for them, Apple needs them young.

Will it be available in the EU appstore?

Re: US lawmakers tell Apple, Google to be ready to remove TikTok from stores Jan. 19

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Post by evoke4908 »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #539
shlant wrote: post #493

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why does nobody know what freedom of speech is anymore...

I have the freedom to read what I want. You're telling me I don't. If you support making it impossible for me to access Tik Tok. This isn't about freedom of speech.

> I have the freedom to read what I want. You're telling me I don't

You don't. This is not a legally protected right in any US jurisdiction. Period.

> This isn't about freedom of speech

Correct, because this isn't speech and "freedom of speech" does not mean what you think it does. The right to freedom of speech enumerated in the US constitution is generally interpreted to mean that the government cannot punish its citizens for speaking out against the government. That's really all you're guaranteed. This has nothing to do with censorship, and in fact censorship in general is quite accepted in US law. You quite plainly do not have the right to unrestricted access to any information you want. No law even suggests that. Just for starters, we regularly ban books at the state level. In some places, you can be arrested for possessing certain materials. Perfectly constitutional.

Freedom of speech does not mean you can say or print anything with no consequences. See libel.

Freedom of speech does not mean you can read or posses any information you want. See classified materials, state secrets, illegal materials such as CSAM.

Freedom of speech means that the government can't put three generations of your family in a concentration camp because you tweeted once that the president sucks.

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Post by gklitz »

jaimsam wrote: post #160

Too many elections are being influenced by the free exchange of ideas on TikTok -- best to shut it down if the U.S. corrupt government cannot control it. Who cares what the people think!?

Exactly. Even with Twitter bought and paid for it was to close to Elons and Trumps liking, so the platform has to go, or bend the knee and start running rightwing propaganda.

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Post by HDThoreaun »

evoke4908 wrote: post #676
hnpolicestate wrote: post #539

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I have the freedom to read what I want. You're telling me I don't. If you support making it impossible for me to access Tik Tok. This isn't about freedom of speech.

> I have the freedom to read what I want. You're telling me I don't You don't. This is not a legally protected right in any US jurisdiction. Period. > This isn't about freedom of speech Correct, because this isn't speech and "freedom of speech" does not mean what you think it does. The right to freedom of speech enumerated in the US constitution is generally interpreted to mean that the government cannot punish its c…

> The right to freedom of speech enumerated in the US constitution

The problem is people switch between this definition of freedom of speech and the the more general version found in "on liberty" and other philosophical works. If youre talking about what the government is allowed to do sure use the first definition but this conversation started by talking about the second. By subtlety switching from "is this something that is good to do" to "is this something the government is allowed to do" youve derailed the conversation.

Philosophical freedom of speech is much more than what is enumerated in the constitution.

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Post by johnzim »

fsflover wrote: post #652
mu53 wrote: post #651

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I think every country should develop their own social media. It would be best if it was federated-like services that smaller countries could just run the plain open source version of. Any democratic country that has a large portion of their population using american social media is essentially a modern US colony.

> I think every country should develop their own social media. There is Mastodon already, which is federated. EU already set up their own servers.

It is federated and it has benefits but the UX is garbage for average people and the actual protocol isn't one that'll scale.

You don't need an A+ protocol to get great if your product is good enough / dead simple to use but neither of those things apply to Mastodon, as much as I'd like them to.

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Post by mattmaroon »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #69
mattmaroon wrote: post #41

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The date is pretty suspect though.

Not really

Yes, it is. It’s not common to enact laws on the day before one leaves office. Pardons, sure.

It’s clearly an attempt to ram it through before the administration changes. Even a year ago they knew there was a good chance of that.

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