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Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by DrNosferatu »

mushufasa wrote: post #219
boochiboo12 wrote: post #21

Hi yall, founder of Daylight here. Happy to answer any questions you have. Long time lurker, so this is pretty cool to finally take part :) I made this because I wanted the eye-strain free and minimalist qualities of my kindle/Eink applied to so much more of what I do on a computer. Lack of speed and ghosting felt like it made traditional Eink impossible to do most computing tasks. So we focused on making the most Pa…

> We developed our own custom epaper display tech we call LivePaper. We focused on solving the tradeoffs RLCDs traditionally have - around reflectance %, metallic-look / not Paperlike enough, viewing angle, white state, rainbow mura, parallax, resolution, size, lack of quality backlight, etc. Would you license this to others at a more affordable rate than e-ink? Lenovo has some e-ink 2-in-1 "thinkbook" laptops and mi…

This. Lenovo never quite managed to get their act together with the e-paper side of their 2-in-1.

- Maybe this is what's missing?

- ...maybe you could do you own 2-in-1?

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by tr4656 »

yosito wrote: post #522
alemanek wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding an additional comment here for a little extra visibility. I would absolutely love, like really love, a USB-C portrait monitor version of this. If I could just plug this in to my existing laptop and use it for reading specs, technical docs, …etc that would be amazing. Android tablet is a tough sell for my employer due to compliance, security, and such. So buying one of those for work use would take like a year…

Why not just buy a Mira Pro? https://onyxboox.com/boox_mirapro

There is also a transflective lcd portable monitor: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/radiant-world-s-first-tra...

Video from MyDeepGuide: https://youtube.com/watch?v=NXLwc0eJZsw

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by bluGill »

rjzzleep wrote: post #658
tadfisher wrote: post #458

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As long as the bootloader isn't locked, porting mainline Linux shouldn't be as bad as with E-ink devices. Here's a Ubuntu Touch port to another Helios G99 device [1]; I really hope the RLCD doesn't require host driver support. [1]: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/vidofnir/

You need USB-C DisplayPort (DP Alt Mode). Unfortunately it's not a software limitation oftentimes, most of the times it's a hardware design limitation. I guess Onyx figured that they can have two different product lines and milk both, as opposed to what they used to have, which was an HDMI port on the higher end models.

Best would be DP alt mode. However software to send video over regular USB data lines is fairly common and reportedly works okay so long as you have drivers (which generally are not supported to the next Windows release) and are not trying something too heavy - not good enough for games but often good enough for the office type work the OP is asking for.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by cypherpunks01 »

hobscoop wrote: post #623
cypherpunks01 wrote: post #388

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I'd recommend giving grayscale mode a try not only during bedtime, but all the time! My Pixel has been set this way for a couple months and it has decreased my mindless phone usage by simply making the phone more boring overall, without any new device or major sacrifices. I became concerned that I'd turn it off when I temporarily needed color and forget to turn it back on, so instead I used Tasker to listen for L-R s…

This would eliminate the failure mode of my grayscale attempts. I would appreciate knowing the configuration steps.

No root needed, but you first need to grant Tasker the WRITE_SECURE_SETTINGS permission, see: https://tasker.joaoapps.com/userguide/en/help/ah_secure_sett...

I granted it via ADB using the command line listed, but the other method with app might work too. If you don't have ADB, It's very easy to install by just downloading the right sdk for your OS, and you run the included ADB binary via command line while your phone is plugged in via USB, and USB debugging is enabled (which is an android developer setting).

Set your Android accessibility color correction type to grayscale if you don't have that already. The below Tasker action simply toggles it off and on.

Tasker config is-

Configure a Shake Left-Right event trigger (I recommend sensitivity 'Very Low' and Duration 'Long' to avoid accidental triggers)

Configure a 3-step action following the trigger:

1. Custom Setting

    Type: Secure
    Name: accessibility_display_daltonizer_enabled
    Value: 0
2. Wait action (I set to 20 sec)

3. Custom Setting

    Type: Secure
    Name: accessibility_display_daltonizer_enabled
    Value: 1
Set the Collision Handling on the task gear/settings to "Abort Existing Task", so that you can extend the color lifetime by shaking the phone again.

Of course, once you have this action in Tasker, you can use any trigger to turn it on or off, like opening a particular app, turning it on when you are only at home or away, etc.

Works pretty well for me, there is one slight issue where some type of android display layout refresh occurs when the color toggle happens, which sometimes refreshes the interface you are on in a slightly annoying way. I tolerate it, it's ok, maybe setting a longer wait period would make this occur less often.

If these steps don't work / too confusing, try using the really great accessibility gesture support setting mentioned in a reply, instead or in addition: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40462366

FYI John Dalton was a scientist who pioneered color blindness research among many other fields, so his name is everywhere in color correction settings apparently.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by t0bia_s »

noduerme wrote: post #428
alemanek wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adding an additional comment here for a little extra visibility. I would absolutely love, like really love, a USB-C portrait monitor version of this. If I could just plug this in to my existing laptop and use it for reading specs, technical docs, …etc that would be amazing. Android tablet is a tough sell for my employer due to compliance, security, and such. So buying one of those for work use would take like a year…

I second this. I really enjoy reading and writing on an Onyx e-ink tab, and I like the full Android functionality, but I can never use it for work or even for personal email logins, because I don't trust their custom Android build. I would be somewhat more inclined to trust Daylight than Onyx, but any custom OS is too potentially vulnerable to backdoors for my use cases. Something like this that you could load your o…

Same here. I use degoogled Onyx Boox for notes, reading books, sheet music, sketching... Barely connect to internet, beacuse I don't trust their OS and apps. Apps are actually quite good (NeoReader).

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by cypherpunks01 »

albert_e wrote: post #406
cypherpunks01 wrote: post #388

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I'd recommend giving grayscale mode a try not only during bedtime, but all the time! My Pixel has been set this way for a couple months and it has decreased my mindless phone usage by simply making the phone more boring overall, without any new device or major sacrifices. I became concerned that I'd turn it off when I temporarily needed color and forget to turn it back on, so instead I used Tasker to listen for L-R s…

> used Tasker to listen for L-R shake action and make that temporarily disable grayscale mode for 20 secs Wonderful I am using gray scale on personal phone permanently, but avoided that on work phone as I might need to discern color in some work documents or screenshares. What you describe seems like a perfect solution but does it work on all Android phones? If you could throw some more light on the steps ... appreci…

I do think it will work on non-Pixel phones, but you do need to enable Secure Settings for Tasker, which probably can be locked down by Mobile Device Management or other admin control methods that a work device could have.

Listed my config in a sibling comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40465686

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by bluGill »

Someone wrote: post #570
was_a_dev wrote: post #550

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I read most papers on a secondary 19" monitor that's mounted portrait. Seems to cover all the requirements

Not all ones not mentioned in this thread yet. A secondary 19" monitor ties you to a desk. A tablet would allow reading wherever people typically read paper printouts (in the train, while sitting on a couch, etc.)

When I have a complex paper to read I will spread it out on the floor. A single page at a time is too limiting, I want to be able to see page 5 and page 12 at the same time.

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Post by SamBam »

pyoung wrote: post #496
SamBam wrote: post #421

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Off-topic, but anyone know if Google Fi would make it easy to switch between two phones without too much hassle? I'd love to have a second phone that I could take around when I'm not expecting to do any photography or anything. (I know, I could have a dedicated camera instead, but I take pictures on my phone...)

They provide free data-only sim cards. And you used to be able to sync all of your texts and calls in the hangout app, but they got rid of that. The last time I tried syncing the Messages app to a data o my device, it didn't work too well. That was a while ago though so not sure if that is still the case. Swapping sim cards is probably too much of a hassle. You could just make the epaper phone your primary, and drag…

> Also, there is no reason an epaper phone can't take photos.

I would love that, but really doubt any company is going to put out a phone with a great camera and an epaper screen.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by dt3ft »

boochiboo12 wrote: post #46
bestouff wrote: post #35

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Will I be able to install LineageOS on this - as I do on all of my devices ?

yes! we're going to come out with a bootloader unlock tool as well so you can do whatever you want our goal is to be DIY friendly, so we included things i've always wanted in a tablet like: - microSD card expandable - pogo pins for custom accessories (ie cyber deck FTW) - 2 extra physical buttons you can custom map

I’ll buy one when I see this materialize.

Re: Daylight Computer – New 60fps e-paper tablet

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Post by t0bia_s »

Tor3 wrote: post #312
jimmysong wrote: post #159

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As one of the beta testers, let me just say that I really like this device. It's very different than a kindle, kobo or reMarkable in that the refresh rate really makes a big difference. When I show this device to people, I show them how quickly zooming in on a PDF is. It's way faster and more responsive than any e-ink screen and it's way less addicting than the typical laptop, phone or tablet. I'm attempting to make…

I was playing at an outdoor concert recently - last year I suffered from the combination of paper sheet music + wind.. so this year I used an Android tablet in portrait mode where I could flicker to the next one relatively easily with a finger (no fancy bluetooth pedal control or anything). Me, wind: 1-0. This particular tablet was actually visible in full daylight when I turned the screen light to its maximum. After…

Onyx Boox Air 3 10.3’ is great for sheet music! I'm using it and enjoy getting away from ton of papers.

Get non C version with better contrast ratio and longer battery life.

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