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Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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This is all fascinating, I'm sure, but frankly, I'm getting weary of tech drama viz. reality TV masquerading as reality. Rocket Man and Orange Man have more in common than I _ever_ would have imagined if you'd asked me five years ago. Have fun y'all. I'm resisting the clickbait and going back to building things and trying to get a stable paycheck.

Is SamA now Orange Man, or are you referring to Trump?

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Microsoft just bought off Mistral into no longer releasing open weights and scrubbing all references to them from their site…?

There's a "Download" button for their open models literally two clicks away from the homepage. Click "Learn more" under the big "Committing to open models" heading on the homepage. Then, because their deeplinking is bad, click "Open" in the toggle at the top. There's your download link.

Which is Mistral 7B and Mixtral 8x7B. Mistral Large belongs to the closed source optimized models.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Going to the IRS and saying, "This is how we plan to benefit humanity and because of that, we shouldn't have to pay income tax." and then coming back later and saying, "We decided to do the opposite of what we said." is likely to create some problems.

Right, and when they decide to do the opposite they lose the tax benefit, I'm not really sure there's an argument that says they can't change their designation.

It matters though because they didn't change their designation before acting differently, which would make them liable. Not sure to whom they'd be liable though, other than the IRS.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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it sounds like small amount in grand scheme of things..

Unless you consider it as funding in a seed round. These days, OpenAI is worth double digit billions at the very least. If Musk funded the venture as a startup, he’d have increased his net worth by at least a few billion.

it was not his intention to spend these money on funding some startup with expectation of future profit, otherwise he would invest this money into some startup instead of non-profit OpenAI, or even requested OpenAI equity. Imo(non-expert) court unlikely will buy such approach.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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It's clear that OpenAI has become something that it wasn't intended to be at it's founding. Maybe that change happened for good reasons, but the fact that there was a change is not in doubt.

Generally speaking, changing what your company does is just “pivoting”. It’s not clear to me why Elon would having standing for this suit, or why a company changing their direction would be actionable.

This would be like suing Google for removing “Don’t be evil” from their mission statement.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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If OpenAI became a non-profit with this in its charter: “resulting technology will benefit the public and the corporation will seek to open source technology for the public benefit when applicable. The corporation is not organized for the private gain of any person" I don't think it is going to be hard to show that they are doing something very different than what they said they were going to do.

Let's say for the sake of argument that they violated their original charter, it still wouldn't give Musk standing to bring the suit. The charter is not a contract with Musk. He has no more standing than you or I.

He has........ attention.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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A non-profit can have a for-profit subsidiary?

why doesn't everyone do this? take all that sweet investor money without having to give anything then have a for profit subsidiary....

Because most corporate investments aren't managed by complete morons.

This works when there's an obvious non-profit that has a monetizable product. The latter conflicts with the former, so it requires a disconnect. Meanwhile, if Apple tried to do the same, investors would look at that as obviously shady. In addition, non-profits are more heavily restricted by the government.

Lastly, you can't just "take the money" and "do what you want"; fraud, malfeasance, fiduciary responsibility (in the corporate entity), etc still exist. It's not some magic get out of jail free card.

Re: Elon Musk sues Sam Altman, Greg Brockman, and OpenAI [pdf]

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Going to the IRS and saying, "This is how we plan to benefit humanity and because of that, we shouldn't have to pay income tax." and then coming back later and saying, "We decided to do the opposite of what we said." is likely to create some problems.

I don't understand what point your example or analogy is illustrating. Can you state the point you are making? No one is alleging OpenAI committed tax fraud.

True. Non profits exist, and they pay their leaders very well, and some that are probably corrupt provide very little benefit "for the greater good" or whatever the requirements are for non profit status.

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When I try to port your logic over into nuclear capacity it doesn't hold very well. Nuclear capacity is constrained, and those constraining it attempt to do so for reasons public good (energy, warfare, peace). You could argue about effectiveness, but our failure to self-annihilate seems positive testament to the strategy. Transparency does not serve us when mitigating certain forms of danger. I'm trying to remain hum…

The difference between nuclear capability and AI capability is that you can't just rent out nuclear enrichment facilities on a per-hour basis, nor can you buy the components to build such facilities at a local store. But you can train AI models by renting AWS servers or building your own. If one could just walk into a store and buy plutonium, then society would probably take a much different approach to nuclear secur…

AI isn't like nuclear weapons. AI is like bioweapons. The easier it is for anyone to play with highly potent pathogens, the more likely it is someone will accidentally end the world. With nukes, you need people on opposite sides to escalate from first detection to full-blown nuclear exchange; there's always a chance someone decides to not follow through with MAD. With bioweapons, it only takes one, and then there's no way to stop it.

Transparency doesn't serve us here.

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