Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

theverge.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

671–680 of 753 posts

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#671

Post by throwaheyy »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #243
jamil7 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the purposes of this discussion I don’t think the underlying engine really matters (I’m not supporting Apple’s rule here). 99% of users are going to be downloading Chrome or FF to have a consistent UX and sync their bookmarks, history and passwords. iOS respects the default browser and mail client in this case.

> I don’t think the underlying engine really matters It is what makes all the difference here. Many features that are a Web Standard are unsupported on iOS precisely because Apple refuses to allow alternative engines because they don't want those features on their platform (mostly to favor native apps under the pretext of security, like if Google is not capable of making a secure browser, at least as secure as Safari…

99% of users don’t care that it’s the same engine. They probably don’t even know. Looks the same, works the same, what does it matter? They just want to pick the browser name they trust, log in to its account and have all their favorites/bookmarks there. Whichever engine the browser happens to use is the least of their concerns.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#672

Post by rtsil »

trinsic2 wrote: post #626
grey_earthling wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to get their brand straight and decide, once and for all, what they stand for. They stand for weary resignation. Same as Google and Amazon. For most people, they're just there, and you can't not use them, so what can you do? They can be as dodgy as they like, because when you point out what they're doing, most people will just be confused about why you're complaining, because you may as well be rail…

LOL, you are so right on that, average users do not understands the issues at hand about this, we need some kind of movement that better explains the issue.

And yet average users fled IE en masse as soon as they had a (back then) good alternative. There is still hope!

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#674

Post by GeekyBear »

dehrmann wrote: post #223
mrpopo wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple blocking iPhone browsers without Webkit (excluding Chrome and Firefox). Android not exactly making it easy to change the default browser for average users either tbh Relevant XKCD https://xkcd.com/1118/

My theory on this is it has something to do with battery life. I can't think of another reason they'd limit browser engines.

> I can't think of another reason they'd limit browser engines.

Apple doesn't trust third party developers when it comes to running code that Apple has not vetted in advance.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#675

Post by esafak »

golemotron wrote: post #439
dustedcodes wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If CEOs, CTOs, CFOs all start having annoying issues with Teams, Office, Azure, etc. on their MacBooks and iPhones then you can bet your right arm on it that it will affect corporate buying decisions. Zoom demonstrated really well how quickly companies were to switch their conferencing software if one worked consistently better than another.

I think Teams would be much better if that was the dynamic.

Executives don't use chat; they use email. And their secretaries manage it for them.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#676

Post by kbenson »

JohnFen wrote: post #648
kbenson wrote: post #471

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's sort of like condemning all of the U.S. because one state does something you don't agree with. In a large organization different departments may do different things and have different incentives, and until they overstep too much may have quite a bit of autonomy. Considering all actions taken as part of some overarching plan is probably assuming too much. Some actions probably are towards some larger strategy,…

> That's sort of like condemning all of the U.S. because one state does something you don't agree with. It's more like condemning all of the US because it has implemented a national policy that only one state really wanted. It doesn't matter that only one state wanted it. It's still national policy and thus fair game to criticize the entire nation for.

Is it a company wide policy that Microsoft apps open links in edge, or a Teams and Edge thing?

Do office apps open links in edge? Does VS code?

If they do, then I agree with you. If they don't, then I don't, for what should be obvious reasons.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#677

Post by than3 »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #657
than3 wrote: post #623

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is no better than an accounting firm at this point. The only reason they are still around is because of the data collection from spying on their users, and malign and coercive practices that are illegal but remain unenforced probably due to some backroom deal they made regarding the former. They had a few good ideas early on, and now that open source isn't patent bound (not gonna get into the rediculousness…

No, the reason they're around is because probably 95% of businesses in the US rely on their software in one form or another.

Bobby,

If you take that statement you just made, and take it just one step further, asking a why is that when they haven't really innovated in 20+ years?

The realistic answer to that is exactly what I just said. Alternate revenue streams.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#678

Post by wolpoli »

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #588
wolpoli wrote: post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Switching to a system of "user agent claims" have been up to any one of the browsers, when they had a majority of marketshare, to push through. Mosaic/Netscape/IE all had a chance in the Web 1.0 world, unfortunately, none of them did.

I agree with that too, and admitted to such in my previous comment. Still, being the first practitioner of this comes with a certain responsibility for its proliferation. It's not a sole responsibility to your point, but it is primary in a way. It's a lot easier for others to decide to copy what someone else did than to decide to be the first to do it. To the same point, Google is arguably the reason it persists toda…

One thing I have always wondered about the story - were servers in the mid-1990s really sniffing user agents to decide what pages to send through? I remember most sites were static .html files back then.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#679

Post by recursive »

wolpoli wrote: post #678
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with that too, and admitted to such in my previous comment. Still, being the first practitioner of this comes with a certain responsibility for its proliferation. It's not a sole responsibility to your point, but it is primary in a way. It's a lot easier for others to decide to copy what someone else did than to decide to be the first to do it. To the same point, Google is arguably the reason it persists toda…

One thing I have always wondered about the story - were servers in the mid-1990s really sniffing user agents to decide what pages to send through? I remember most sites were static .html files back then.

Not sure if it's the server, or the javascript, but it was definitely a thing in the 90s.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

#680

Post by [deleted] »

GauntletWizard wrote: post #636
Eisenstein wrote: post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A friendly nitpick: the word 'conductive' is a physics term. The term which means "tending to promote or assist" is 'conducive' with no 't', pronounced 'cundoosiv'. > Something conducive "leads to" a desirable result. A cozy living room may be conducive to relaxed conversation, just as a boardroom may be conducive to more intense discussions. Particular tax policies are often conducive to savings and investment, wher…

Pedantry around the meaning of words with common stems is against the code of conduct. In other words, do Conduits not conduct water?

[deleted]
Post reply on HN