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Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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CA Tax Board is pretty aggressive: if you work for a business located in CA, they want your income.

Yes, you need to retire outside California.

That's just not true. You can fully move and start working for a non-CA company and you wouldn't be paying CA taxes.

You make it sound like if you ever lived in CA you have to pay CA tax for the rest of your life until you retire lol.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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It's unfortunate that Elon is leaving California given that the state has really lifted him to the pedestal he is on - through the talent network (highly talented employees, VCs), and the progressive policies that CA built for clean technology (Solar, EVs, Energy Storage). That was paid for on the backs of the people. Funny how short his memory is. Elon is a talented man - I absolutely respect what he's done. However…

California has a country-wide monopoly on weather conditions that many people consider ideal. This attracts people, which raises prices, which results in a proportionally better talent network, as higher income professions are better represented. It's hard to give the government much credit for that.

Also, Elon has been paying taxes there for how many decades? Is he forever indebted to stay there now? Ridiculous.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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I doubt it. Car dealerships are still very politically powerful. They are major contributors to state legislative and congressional races, support local charities, etc and employ lots of well-paid local staff. As electric becomes more common, that will tip as manufacturers buyout dealerships. But that will take awhile and bigger dealers are gobbling up little dealers in the meantime. IMO, the dealers will be less of…

I doubt car dealers will have much of a future in a world were you can just hop in a robotaxi for very little money and not have to spend on parking, fuel, maintenance, registration fees, etc. I sold my car in 2018 and have been living car-free in Los Angeles since then. For the times they are a-changin'...

This is not the case for likely 90% of the country. Note that I'm currently in Chicago where we have much better public transit (in addition to rideshare) options than you do in Los Angeles, but most of America doesn't have the population density to support it.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

>There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California

No. There's a trend of rich people commissioning articles about them leaving california. Articles which provide literally zero evidence of a trend.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Your onto something, and I think another crucial detail is that the small, southern town I grew up in is more tolerant of gay folks now than the vast majority of big cities were 20 years ago. There's been such a massive shift in tolerance towards gay humans across the entire culture that comparing any place I go to NOW vs where I grew up WHEN I was a kid is a massive difference. Compared to 2020 Anywhere, 2000 Anywhe…

Then why is homophobia still a winning campaign platform in so many states?

Is it? Where? Which winning campaigns?

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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I live in TX. I am very, very careful when I'm out in the sticks since the shitkickers are dangerous. I also lived in CA and even in the sticks out in central CA there's just nothing like the scale of xenophobic belligerence in rural TX (or the rest of the Bible Belt).

Careful how? Do you typically "stand out" as in being overtly gay, or wearing anti-relgious clothing? I'm a white man and I suppose I would be a bit wary if I had a huge Bernie sticker on my car, I otherwise don't feel unsafe in the middle of nowhere TX. I just don't like that they're all rah rah GOP.

Careful how? Do you typically "stand out" as in being overtly gay, or wearing anti-relgious clothing?

My own (black) experience in West Texas (Ft. Bliss), "Careful" meant driving across state to see family in Houston and absolutely not stopping in certain counties, not even to piss or stretch my legs.

After getting stopped, pulled over and ordered out of my vehicle while an officer stood back at his car several times and interrogated about "where are you going" "where are you supposed to be" "who do you know in this town" and "where did you steal the car from" (all separate experiences) while doing nothing but trying to take holiday leave.

So... that kind of careful for some of us.

edit, before anyone even makes the attempt:

- I was not driving erratically

- I had no bumper stickers on my car signaling political viewpoints

- I was not wearing any 'curious' clothing other than a shirt and jeans

- I had functioning turn signals and brake lights

- I was driving a legally purchased, registered and insured vehicle at the speed limit (or +5mph) consistent with how I drive literally every day

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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How do you describe "far-right"? Edit: the reason I ask the question is that I've noticed a trend among people from very left-leaning areas to define anyone slightly right of center as being "far-right". I've been called "far-right" because of beliefs that were typical of moderate Democrats in the 1990s. What label that leaves for people like actual Nazis, fascists, neo-Confederates, etc, I'm not sure. Far-far-far ri…

We have a new lines drawn on acceptance for behavior towards sexuality, religion, women's rights and race since the 90's. The line has moved. The 90's was 30 years ago. I don't know your exact situation at all and criticism of you may indeed have been unfair. But for fucks sake don't try to make a case that you're not far-right by looking to the behavior of people in the past. That indicates strongly you may indeed h…

The problem I have with this statement is recently(past 4-5 years) the left has gone extremely far in their beliefs and ideas. Take real life examples like - completely disbanding the police, emptying prisons, outlawing all criminal laws. Deciding that people of a certain race/social class are the cause of all problems. Destruction of city statues without due process. These ideas are dangerous for any functioning society and saying every idea from 30 years ago is bad or backwards is wrongheaded.

In addition alot of the far left is pinning 'nazi' or 'facsict' on any politician or idea that does not meet their ever changing ideas. Even feminists are now getting trampled on if their ideas don't meet up to the week culture temperature checks.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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I too moved to a less onerous tax state so I can't fault Mr. Musk. I so enjoy living in a country where that is possible, and that, if you have the means, you can follow the jobs from state to state, or if you will, follow the capital. Capital moves where it feels comfortable and so do people. It's not much of a story really, except for Mr. Musk's celebrity.

I'm curious, from which state to which state did you move? How much did you save?

I moved to PA from MD. At the close my career, I chose to move to PA as they do not tax income from retirement accounts like IRA, 401k etc, nor pension accounts. It's quite a bundle. Retired, now in PA I pay no state tax.

Honestly my tax arguments with MD were furious and frustrating. It's difficult, once you start paying MD, to escape their claims on you. Even while working out of country for multiple years running, MD will claim you owe them taxes, unless you have changed domicile in the manner they demand.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Pretty interesting to see this move makes people so salty. There does seem to be a trend of people fleeing California, I dont know enough about the situation out there to comment on whether or not its valid. I suspect something must be going on for several high profile folks moving out. And before you bash Texas, its not perfect. But its pretty diverse, and it seems that folks with opposing viewpoints can still coexi…

I think if you look for trends among the people fleeing, that might be a clue. It is mostly libertarian, or right-wing egos: Ben Shapiro, Elon Musk, Alan Karp (Palantir) were the three mentioned in an Axios article today.

Re: Elon Musk moves to Texas

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Paris climate targets will have done far more to push EV forward than Tesla/CA. Most governments e.g EU, UK, China all looking to curtail/ban ICE cars within the next few decades. And of course this has resulted in car manufacturers rapidly pushing EV cars.

And mass market EVs weren't really a mass-market thing until Tesla pushed the luxury brands to compete with them.

Mass market EVs started appearing exactly after EU regulations forced them to be made.

Tesla has helped but be would have EVs today even if the company had never existed.

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