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CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Are you saying London doesn't have crosswalks? I find that hard to believe.

They are called zebra crossings outside the US. They also look different.

My understanding is that 'crosswalks' are all legal points (because 'jaywalking' at another point is illegal in the US) of pedestrian crossing.

At least in the UK, zebra crossings are a tiny subset of pedestrian crossings. (And you can cross the road wherever you please.)

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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post #227

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> I think most of these users are high-pain users What, non-Americans?

Non-Americans who can't rapidly figure out what's intended from the context.

As I commented elsewhere, sure, when I was first asked I guessed it must be the road markings. But to this day I just select all the road markings that aren't clearly separating lanes.

I don't know if I get loads wrong as a result, but it certainly could catch me out by testing identifying the difference between a 'crosswalk' and whatever other markings you might put across your roads.

To TFA's point, good job reCaptcha, you identified my unfamiliarity with everyday American things.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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I hate these things. I failed a few because I was skipping ones that asked me to identify "crosswalks", only to discover about a month later that I was misunderstanding it to mean a skywalk bridge between two buildings. What actually reinforced this mistaken belief was that recaptcha actually called them "zebra crossings" until very recently.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Fire hydrants are not at all common in European cityscape but you will learn about them from Hollywood movies or from music videos. But in the part of Europe I am from, if I did not go to the daycare in a larger city, I would not have seen any crosswalks or traffic lights. I could have easily recognized a harvester or a railroad crossing though.

Here fire hydrants are common, but almost always underground.

Same here. They are usually marked with a yellow "H" sign about a foot tall, and the numbers on it tell the fire brigade where to find the hydrant if its not immediately below the sign.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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>>There's a big question on whether these approaches work well for onboarding the next billion users to the internet That isn't what captchas are used for. There are two side to every captcha, what the website is using them for and what the captcha creator or provider is using them for. In google's case, captchas are being used to hone AI. So it is no wonder that items like hydrants, store fronts, crosswalks and traf…

> Given that the first market for AI-driven vehicles seems to be western nations, specifically the US, it is no surprise that google gears its captcha program to objects from that area. This is a roundabout way of just saying the most obvious explanation (sites with US-centric captchas are presumably mostly interested in US users anyway) but wrapped up in an unnecessary conspiracy layer to add creepiness.

Given Google tracks everything about me, there's no reason why they can't find-and-replace "crosswalk" with "zebra crossing" to match my locale. Its not a conspiracy, its just laziness on Google's part

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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Being an African born & bred in Nigeria, I particularly find this appalling. Captcha usually asks users to identify fire hydrants, crosswalks & other objects with design patterns that are not common here, in everyday living. There's a big question on whether these approaches work well for onboarding the next billion users to the internet, especially since the demographics are much different from existing internet use…

My prediction: This will lead to new users being turned away from established products from the anglosphere and develop their own alternatives. Maybe after a while the big companies will notice and adapt, which might already be too late by then, or maybe they just buy the smaller ones directly, who knows.

Its not even the anglosphere, because I'm from English England and had no clue what an American crosswalk was until recently. This is something that affects non-americans, not just non-angles.

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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post #387
post #247

Being an African born & bred in Nigeria, I particularly find this appalling. Captcha usually asks users to identify fire hydrants, crosswalks & other objects with design patterns that are not common here, in everyday living. There's a big question on whether these approaches work well for onboarding the next billion users to the internet, especially since the demographics are much different from existing internet use…

I'm not entirely sure what a crosswalk is. I /guess/ it's a pedestrian crossing, but I wouldn't put money on it.

I assumed it was an enclosed bridge between two buildings, a skybridge or skywalk, but apparently they are black and white striped crossings that I know as "zebra crossings".

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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These are hard sometimes for me, from UK: What counts as a truck? Is a fire engine a truck, is a 4x4 (like a Landrover), a HGV (ie lorry), a box van? What counts as a bus? Is a coach a bus, a minibus? What counts as a bicycle? Is a pedal-and-pop (a pedal cycle with an engine)? The image shows part of a headset that might be on a bike, is that enough to call it a bike, might be a lightweight motorbike? Is a hovercraft…

I was genuinely stumped by this one: https://ibb.co/1bjZyxm Do any of the tiles count? If so, do the tiles that barely have just the edge of a "tire" count? Who knows?

I'd skip this, because it would tell the AI that this "bicycle looking thing" is not a bicycle. If they wanted a cycle lane, they'd ask for that.

Then again, if they wanted a zebra crossing they wouldn't ask for a crosswalk, but here we are...

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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post #344

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so if you don't pass, say, by using TOR or even just a VPN, you don't even get a chance to prove you're not a bot? Cool, really cool, I can't see that being illegal at all. EDIT: This comment is stupidly worded, please see clarification below.

Why would it be illegal? Being able to access a website (be it Twitter, Hacker News, or your hometown newspaper) is a privilege, not a right.

GDPR could be a concern if you are not able to opt out of automated processing. Deciding if you're a spambot or not is a huge decision for a robot to make.

To be fair, any captcha would have this trouble, but an entirely invisible one would not be able to be questioned

Re: CAPTCHAs don’t prove you’re human – they prove you’re American (2017)

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post #171

I'm not American and I often see captchas that ask about "cars" or "trucks". And they use similar images. I sometimes don't pass through those. My question is, when I see a truck and I'm being asked to select all cars, should I select the truck or not? For me a truck is a car. Is it not one?

Google it, heh. The way I learned it, a "car" is any roofed 4+ wheeled vehicle up to van and SUV size (yeah, more Americanisms). Pickup trucks and larger are "trucks".

Even this exemplifies bad translations between two dialects of English. To me a van is a Ford Transit, but it sounds like to you a van is a Ford Galaxy (which I'd see as a "people carrier")
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