Strategically / tactically, the most interesting aspect of the RIAA attack on youtube-dl to me is that it puts Microsoft on the spot to show its true colours. Is it Friend of Free Software, or Copyright Maximalist?
YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
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Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
#672Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…
The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny. Just because it can be used for legit purposes too won't matter in the slightest. I mean, Napster could have been used for legal means as well, and it got destroyed in court. The only chance tools like this have legally is when infringement is an "unintende…
This is not analogous to Napster. Napster is a protocol. youtube-dl is an HTTP client that the RIAA just happens to dislike.
Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
#673Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny. Just because it can be used for legit purposes too won't matter in the slightest. I mean, Napster could have been used for legal means as well, and it got destroyed in court. The only chance tools like this have legally is when infringement is an "unintende…
Should it stand up to legal scrutiny though? What does it matter if I play the beatles on youtube by watching in a web browser or watching an .mp4 file that I just downloaded? It's functionally the same.
It stands up to legal scrutiny, and Betamax case is not applicable.
They have these things called "streaming licenses" these days, that are very different from "download licenses" because streamed data is not the same thing as a downloaded file even if they both use the same codec and are derived from the same source.
Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
#674Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can only download a snapshot from that page. Here's a tarball with the entire git repo in case anyone's interested: https://transfer.sh/Hj9dD/youtube-dl-git.tar.gz (52MiB) Here's Debian's mirror btw, somewhat out of date and using the one-commit-per-upstream-release development model (in the upstream branch), so lacking a lot of history: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/youtube-dl
The gzipped tarball, was that as of latest commit? just curious if we can consider it the definitive final copy
Youtube-dlc has merged a lot of youtube-dl's outstanding PRs, i remember -dlc being 350 commits/7 behind -dl some 2 or 3 days ago. So definitely base the fork off *-dlc
Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
#675Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just used windows-g to record upside down music video. Seems to work fine. mp4 file is in my captures video. Sound is great. How is that acceptable and this isn't? btw, Popcorn time is a bit different situation. I would say bit torrent is more the problem, or at least the people who upload pirated content. What is odd though is that it's the RIAA filing suit here and not google. Google has a real complaint, RIAA ce…
Can you use the DMCA for a TOS breech? It's not obvious to me that Google would have a claim.
TOS don't really have any legal power, and you don't even have to accept TOS to use youtube-dl, so I guess the worst they could do would be to deny you service.
Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
#676Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…
The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny. Just because it can be used for legit purposes too won't matter in the slightest. I mean, Napster could have been used for legal means as well, and it got destroyed in court. The only chance tools like this have legally is when infringement is an "unintende…
> The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use
How could that be true? if the YouTube link in the test case was a video of farmer on his truck would that show it is intended for that use? No. YouTube dl is made to download any YouTube videos it has not been made to download specifically Taylor Swift music videos, it just has just been picked as a test case as any other YouTube videos could have been
Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
#677Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…
The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny. Just because it can be used for legit purposes too won't matter in the slightest. I mean, Napster could have been used for legal means as well, and it got destroyed in court. The only chance tools like this have legally is when infringement is an "unintende…
We might as well ban screen shots because it can illegally reproduce photography stills. /s
Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
#678Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if collaboration on opensource projects (i.e. hosting, issues and their comments) was decentralized instead of relying on a central entity like Github? That would keep the developer base active and make DMCA takedowns ineffective.
Git seems like a great candidate for hosting through TOR; it's super low bandwidth. I often find myself wondering why DMCA'd fan projects don't just switch to anonymous TOR hosting. Obviously it's not bulletproof, but if it's just copyright holders you have to worry about and not state actors then it seems like a great solution.
Sure, youtube-dl could be hosted on TOR, but how many of its users will follow it to TOR?
The RIAA would score a great victory if it could essentially force youtube-dl development to go underground.
Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
#679There is a lot of CC0 content on youtube that exists so you can download it, like stock video, sounds, background videos etc. How are we going to dowload those now?
Also couldn't the youtub-dl team claim that the whole "drm video download test" was a security test?
Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA
#680Worth noting the MPA already tried doing this to Popcorn Time, a BitTorrent client designed to provide a Netflix-like UX.[1] The Popcorn Time devs put in a counter-notice and the repository was back up a few weeks later when the period for the MPA to respond expired. The same thing will probably happen here because this is not one of the purposes of DMCA takedown letters, period. Even if there are inappropriate test…
Is there any chance that someone could sue them for filing illegitimate claims?