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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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TimJRobinson wrote: post #378
rolleiflex wrote: post #348

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The way it works in Aether is that we have a few rules on choosing what 'effective' mods you have on your view. From weakest (as in, most prone to be overridden) to strongest: - Default mods, which are either the creator of the community or those that are assigned by that person - Elected mods, mods which are chosen by the community. Election goes both ways, you can both be elected or impeached. For example, a defaul…

That makes sense. With the trust system described trust is only calculated for you personally rather than calculating how much everyone trusts everyone else. From the benchmarks [1] of a simple naive JavaScript version is can recalculate one persons trust in a huge network in just a few ms. With partial updates when new ratings come in it could be done even faster. 1: https://github.com/adecentralizedworld/decentrali…

Yeah — trust level is only one component of a multivariate calculus that we call graph compile. So it's very possible for the trust only to take milliseconds when it's the only thing you compile with objects that only carry trust, but Aether compiler also moves the content around too. To give you a sense of the real world results, our initial compile takes multiple minutes even with binary (0 or 1) trust, even if only a vanishingly small portion of it is actually calculating trust. If an object is made dirty, regardless of the reason, it has to be touched, loaded into memory and processed. The disk is where you it the bottleneck. If your dataset fits into memory (mind that Aether has to work with computers with 4gb of RAM) then yes the whole thing is milliseconds. But once you start to do sequential reads on what might not even be SSD, you want to avoid any sort of dirtying if you can. Gradient Trust is one of the worst offenders in that almost any change to it dirties almost the whole graph.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by rolleiflex »

the_duke wrote: post #458
rolleiflex wrote: post #348

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The way it works in Aether is that we have a few rules on choosing what 'effective' mods you have on your view. From weakest (as in, most prone to be overridden) to strongest: - Default mods, which are either the creator of the community or those that are assigned by that person - Elected mods, mods which are chosen by the community. Election goes both ways, you can both be elected or impeached. For example, a defaul…

How do you mitigate voting fraud? It would seem very easy to just create a lot of accounts to vote or trigger impeachments (if that is a thing).

We have proof of work to rate-limit spam (of both content and signals), and there would be no reason for anyone to spam the network (for votes - for other things there are plenty of reasons) because anyone can get exactly the moderation they want by picking out their mods. Elections cannot override local selections — they exist as 'recommendations' to the local user, in the case the user has not made a selection.

That said, there is still quite a bit of power in controlling the view of those who can't be bothered to make a decision, so we make it so that an election vote only counts after the user actually first posted in that community 2 weeks ago. So if there's a flood of new votes, the mods can temporarily suspend voting process.

Lastly, the elections are not mandatory for all communities, so if a community is created as a 'monarchy', for the lack of a better word, the elections are not applied by default. This makes it so that there is no incentive for mods to keep 'temporary suspension due to vote flood' state indefinitely, since they can just switch to monarchy if they want to do that.

Mind that in that case, the user can still make choices, or even enable elections - the only thing that would change is that the default user would not get election results applied to the default mods. But if that user wants, it can still enable elections and vote, and by enabling that it would get the election results applied — but due to his or her own explicit choice, not by default.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by rolleiflex »

mcintyre1994 wrote: post #463
rolleiflex wrote: post #151

We have something similar to this, Aether. https://getaether.net . (code at github.com/nehbit/aether) Always glad to see more eyeballs on the space, so I wish then the best. Here are a few differences I can see at the first glance: - Aether is decentralised (as in torrent) this appears to be federated. That means Aether truly has no servers and every user is a peer, while federated means there are smaller ‘Reddits’ a…

This sounds pretty interesting, but is it a lot of work to moderate a home server yourself? > You are the home server, so no one can control what you see. We call this user sovereignty I’m wondering what I’d have to do to just bare minimum make sure no illegal content gets onto any hardware that I own. Just to use the obvious extreme example, I don’t want to see any illegal pornography, which in addition to not wanti…

All the content on Aether is text — it's pretty hard (but not impossible) to make text illegal. Of course what is on your computer is your responsibility, nothing changes that. There is a SFW list enabled by default that only shows the 'safe' communities to you in the app, but your app still communicates everything as of today.

However, this is actually the most common feature request we have right now, an ability to block certain communities from transmitting. We are converting the SFW list to a 'filter lists' feature, much like adblock filter lists. These lists can be whitelists or blacklists, and they will be able to control not just visibility, but also the receiving and transmittance of content as well.

So the expected behaviour is that if a community is in your blacklist, your computer will never fetch that content from that community by checking against its fingerprint. That should be helpful to solve this issue. We'll be providing a default whitelist as well.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by rolleiflex »

ollo wrote: post #650
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #463

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This sounds pretty interesting, but is it a lot of work to moderate a home server yourself? > You are the home server, so no one can control what you see. We call this user sovereignty I’m wondering what I’d have to do to just bare minimum make sure no illegal content gets onto any hardware that I own. Just to use the obvious extreme example, I don’t want to see any illegal pornography, which in addition to not wanti…

I would like to know this as well. If it is clear how to do so, I'd gladly join.

I responded to the parent, sending this over as a notification: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23694615

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by bhupy »

tripzilch wrote: post #667
bhupy wrote: post #611

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Yes you can! That argument was made in a SCOTUS argument that has since been unanimously overturned. https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/its-tim...

Wow. So the argument was first successfully used to jail peaceful socialists and anti-war activists, but was later overturned for benefit of the KKK.

Yup. Today, the law benefits peaceful socialists, anti-war activists, AND the KKK — which is a big win for free speech, in my books.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ThA0x2 »

yogthos wrote: post #668
ThA0x2 wrote: post #645

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Time for you to move to move to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. After all, it's all in the name! https://ifunny.co/picture/we-call-ourselves-the-anti-bad-guy...

So, do enlighten us, what exactly do you claim antifa actually stands for if you're saying they're not acting in the spirit of their name?

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Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by ThA0x2 »

door99 wrote: post #670
ThA0x2 wrote: post #645

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Time for you to move to move to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. After all, it's all in the name! https://ifunny.co/picture/we-call-ourselves-the-anti-bad-guy...

Antifa is a decentralized organization of people fighting against fascism. They don’t have a positive ideology, literally the only thing that unifies them is anti fascism. Communists, anarchists, and liberals may all call themselves antifa

Using that logic Republicans could call themselves antifa since almost everyone, Republicans included, is against fascism. It's when you define "fascism" as anything right of Trotsky that people start have issues with your ideology.

Re: Lemmy, an open-source federated Reddit alternative, gets funding for development

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Post by concordDance »

dabbernaught420 wrote: post #664
concordDance wrote: post #528

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Actual discussion of racist thought is pretty off topic, I am more interested in where one could find good anti-race realist resources (and arguing for why attemptibg to censor racist thought can cause the problem of lack of said resources) then trying to rehash hundred thousand word arguments on an extremely complex topic in comments. That said, it would be rude to ignore the effort you've made, so: The main actiona…

Here's a classic article from Nick Land as to why racism isn't something worth spending too much time thinking about: http://www.xenosystems.net/hyper-racism/ The article is perhaps extreme and overly performative, but I think the central idea of "races" not surviving the near-future is a good one.

While I agree with the point of the article that current genetic imbalances are horrifying, underappreciated and getting worse (and mostly not race based), there's still plenty of suffering to be had due to racism.

If race realism is correct then job quotas, immigration and education policy will cause a fair few problems, and if it's wrong then the very large amounts of suffering enduring by some ethnic minorities will be fixable.

So while this is far from the most important issue (that goes to things like ageing, possible dysgenic trends and the possibility of true AI), it's still pretty important by the standards of modern policy debates.

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