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Safari is fine. The real problem is Chrome, which is just plain user-hostile.
How is Chrome user hostile?
It stores your browsing history on Google's servers.
Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
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Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
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Firefox has improved tremendously. But I guess some people are still missing their favorite features. For me it's pinch zooming. I've been waiting for it for ages. It's the last issue keeping me from leaving Chrome. Just tried newest Firefox on macOS and Windows 10, and sadly it still didn't work on either. This feature is great for hiding flashing sidebars and distracting navigation bars. And of course zooming in oc…
For me it's right-click, Translate to English.
For me, the ability to look up a word from the built-in dictionary on the Mac. But I do use FF at home and only use Chrome at work.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
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Firefox is improving by leaps and bounds every day. But the market is not a meritocracy, as much as some people like to pretend it is. Success in the market is much more to do with things like marketing, momentum, inertia, and general opinions. All of these things are favoring Chrome right now, and Mozilla is not in a position to turn this around. And you may not have noticed, but being popular doesn't actually give…
I disagree. IMHO Chrome is a better browser than Firefox. A few examples from the top of my head why Firefox is worse than Chrome (on Linux): 1. Hardware acceleration is still disabled by default on Linux 2. Pocket 3. Unwanted notifications about wanting to update / being updated / having updated 3. Ugly spacing left and right of the adress bar 4. Takes longer to start 5. No integration with GNOME keychain. 6. Ctrl+Q…
3. Ugly spacing left and right of the adress bar
Those spacers are easily removed via customize mode.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
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I'm honestly a bit confused. This is the second comment I've seen regarding the lack of this feature. It's not one I ever use purposefully, so maybe I just don't understand what's missing. But, with Firefox on my Samsung Galaxy, I can zoom in and out of text and photos by pinching, with no issues at all. Was it a long time ago when you last tried it perhaps?
I think they mean desktop Firefox on a touchscreen laptop, rather than mobile Firefox. Personally, I can't imagine trying to pinch-zoom on a desktop, but maybe I'm just old.
They're talking about a gesture that's specific to the Macbook trackpad; namely, the implementation you see in Safari, which is not the typical browser 'zoom' function that increases the size of elements and reflows the page, but rather zooms in to show you a subset of the DOM canvas as rendered, like mobile browsers do. It is definitely a handy feature but to characterize it as a missing 'standard' functionality I don't think is fair. No desktop browser had this functionality until Safari ported it over from the mobile version a few releases back as I recall, though Chrome has since copied it.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
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The only thing I disliked in so many years is the bunch of imcompatible extensions due to the switch to the new plugin system. For example, I was unable to use NoScript, because it didn't really work well. Still, this is something you can forgive considering that for more than 15 years they released always good software.
No it is not. If all the alternatives werent so dismal I would have wiped FF from all my machines when they first switched to quantum and then had no extended support frame for ESR52. It was a slap in the face of the core user base and they did it carelessly. They did not have the necessary information in place early enough and did not fix bugs that prevented people from porting their addons before the end of the las…
Do you ever wonder why the alternatives are so dismal?
Man, a web browser that works on all the current existing devices on the planet is not something that I would consider trivial, at all.
Internet Explorer needed a brand new operating system that forces it for anything you do to regain some momentum...
Apple has to offer obviously stuff that you can't do easily with other browsers, like integration with the password manager, etc...
Google Chrome... We will see what happens in 10 years. They are making more and evident what they developed that browser for.
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I disagree. IMHO Chrome is a better browser than Firefox. A few examples from the top of my head why Firefox is worse than Chrome (on Linux): 1. Hardware acceleration is still disabled by default on Linux 2. Pocket 3. Unwanted notifications about wanting to update / being updated / having updated 3. Ugly spacing left and right of the adress bar 4. Takes longer to start 5. No integration with GNOME keychain. 6. Ctrl+Q…
3. Ugly spacing left and right of the adress bar Those spacers are easily removed via customize mode.
Sure, you can also fix a lot of other annoyances. But those add up until the point where someone just installs Chrome in the first place where the defaults are sane.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
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The smart choice would've been to not use Gmail in the first place. The fact that Google doesn't have your best interest in mind is nothing new. The fact that Gmail invades your privacy by reading your emails to show you ads has been in there from day 1. I'm saying this, because you started with "to be fair...". As if this was a good explanation for the double-standard your parent poster mentioned. You can still fix…
It's easy to say the smart choice was to avoid it, but I think that's quite a naive comment. Hindsight is 20/20 and the email landscape is different now than it was then. At the time I got my gmail (back when invites were still a thing) most options available to me were either ISP email or free web email, and gmail was one of the best. Not to mention, I was a lot younger and probably not in a position where paying fo…
You can keep your Gmail account forever and transition to a new email in a slow pace. By auto forwarding your Gmail to your new account, or if your new email can act like POP or IMAP client to access your old Gmail, this process is painless.
I had a Gmail in the month it was launched and I switched to my own domain (ironically, still in GSuite) in a process that took a few years. Whenever I login into a site with my old email, I would update it to the new one. My current email still connect to my old Gmail over POP3, but it’s mostly empty.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
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> “ I am tired of listening to people screaming their lungs out about privacy when their actions don't reflect their opinions. ” Those screaming for privacy, like myself, are in fact a small minority. Also regardless of the topic, double standards are rampant in this community. You’ll often see people screaming against Google but still using @gmail.com because paying for a domain and the price of one coffee per month…
The problem with GMail is, it's too convenient to use, and relatively secure because of 2FA support. Also, people (including me) think that some newsletters, some bills and receipts are not very personal, so people don't care. I have two main addresses, one is from a local provider and my all financial e-mails and other stuff is coming to that e-mail address, however they don't encrypt anything. I also just got a fre…
> BTW, I never store anything which makes me uncomfortable, anywhere incl. my brain. That's a much better way of living. Not that privacy conscious people is hiding something, but that's my policy.
That is a better way of living, but it’s a harder choice for a lot of people.
With recent political trends towards the far right, it could become a harder choice for even more.
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#679Just my personal $0.02: 1. The biggest thing keeping me tied to Chrome over any other browser is the extension support. Extensions are second class citizens in any other browser. This is partly because other browsers keep overhauling their systems and deprecating old software which discourages extension developers, and mainly because (as an extension developer) why would you code for browser X when you can get more u…
Extensions get to modify the same about:config in FF as the firefox internal settings.
Some extensions dont work after a year of being undeveloped, because the API changes. Is this really a bad thing? Opensource software uses patching as a "heartbeat" to discern whether a project is still developed or not. Hackers find holes over time, and when devs no longer fill them, the project needs to be left for dead.
Why should browser addons be any different?
I guess its a different philosophy - if the devs leave a browser addon for dead, the users should too.
Once every couple of years, the API changes and cleans out dead addons. Im not sure this is often enough.
But the best addons stay. NoScript. Adblock Plus or uBlock Origin. httpsEverywhere. The best Canvas blockers. These stay up to date.
What is missing?
Re: Firefox desktop market share now below 9%
#680Reading this breaks my heart. I have been a Firefox user for almost a decade now and I have good and bad memories with it. Since Quantum release my experience with FF has been nothing but exceptional. On a general day I have around ~15 pinned tabs and more than 50 other tabs open and FF handles it like a breeze. The memory usage is good given the fact that my workload is heavy. On a dual-core machine, I am able to re…
I've been using Firefox since it was Phoenix and Firebird in a zip file as a faster alternative to Netscape. I am loving Quantum, and I don't understand why Firefox continues to slide. With this Edge announcement (a new Microsoft Chromium browser), I'm nervous we're getting into not a duopoly, but potentially a monopoly.
> why Firefox continues to slide
They broke extension support. Half of the extensions disappeared (didn't migrate to Quantum). The other half works only partially. One year after Quantum i still have a blank new tab because a custom html file in new tab would require an extension AND a web server.
Sure, it is harder now for non-technical users to shoot themselves in the foot. On the other hand, Mozilla took away control from users. After Quantum I lost all hope.