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I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by goldfeld »

tomaskafka wrote: post #599
yellowapple wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the more reason to put your money toward phones that run an operating system that's not locked to one specific device vendor.

Come on. You can pick Apple that sometimes act forceful in the name of (future|profits) and you can pick Google's personal data collector with smartphone functions bolted on, and that's it.

I think Android is very frustrating as well.

Actually, I pick old Palm. I'll buy a new Palm Treo like I did 10 years ago and it was glorious old tech. Maybe no whatsapp is a plus and I'll just use from the laptop, tell people to call/sms me during the day.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by ddingus »

jamesrcole wrote: post #242
yellowapple wrote: post #241

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They won for me at least, given that I'm typing this on a phone with a headphone jack (a OnePlus 5T).

It should go without saying that a fact about a single person's purchase says nothing about what phone characteristics will win out in the market.

What overwhelming Advantage does digital-only audio deliver to the market that's worth the cost of transition to digital only audio?

With video, there's a lot of those. And today in the market we have a mix of analog and digital, mostly digital, and it mostly makes sense.

That isn't really true of audio. And it's not true because audio works very differently.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by rootusrootus »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #614
yoz-y wrote: post #537

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Parent was probably referring to the fact that phones still have usb-c/lightning ports and you can plug usb-c/lightning headphones to them just fine. The port is not dedicated but as long as you are not charging it works identically to the old headphone jack.

Of course since most of the issues seem to come from things like interaction with cars, and GPS tends to quickly drain battery thus strongly encouraging using a charger, and therefore lack of a headphone jack makes getting audio in the car much more difficult... well, that "as long as you are not charging" is a pretty big negative. And that's ignoring all the various issues Bluetooth has, like some apps (eg Waze) utt…

Is it really common to use headphones in the car, though? The last few cars I've owned, I plugged my phone into the radio with USB and it both charged the phone and played music as well.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by CamperBob2 »

cozzyd wrote: post #200
tonmoy wrote: post #15

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Except people who don’t use headphones now don’t have to carry a heavier, bigger, power hungry power ADC everywhere they go.

How does the microphone on the phone work then?

I'm assuming he really meant 'DAC' rather than 'ADC', referring specifically to the part that drives the headphone jack as opposed to the built-in earpiece transducer. Some people use the terms interchangeably for whatever reason, even though it's not technically correct.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by stcredzero »

Apple's removal of the headphone jack wasn't "courage." Courage was Steve Jobs determining that pen tablets weren't viable back in 2000 and knowing later just when touch tablets were ready for the public. What Apple did was fail to realize that Bluetooth headphones are still a bit awkward and not quite ready for mainstream ubiquity. Instead, they took away something that just works and replaced it with something a bit over-complicated that is nifty in a propeller-head way. It was the opposite of what Apple is supposed to do.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by jamesrcole »

ddingus wrote: post #672
jamesrcole wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should go without saying that a fact about a single person's purchase says nothing about what phone characteristics will win out in the market.

What overwhelming Advantage does digital-only audio deliver to the market that's worth the cost of transition to digital only audio? With video, there's a lot of those. And today in the market we have a mix of analog and digital, mostly digital, and it mostly makes sense. That isn't really true of audio. And it's not true because audio works very differently.

Why are you asking me? What about my comment, or its grand-parent comment makes you ask me that?

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by rs23296008n1 »

this_user wrote: post #531
fouc wrote: post #505

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https://www.logitech.com/images/pdf/emea_business/2.4ghz_whi... Seems like it's possible for bluetooth to handle up to 78 users in 10m space without interference.

BT is on the same 2.4 GHz band that most Wifis use, and I can tell you from personal experience that there can be interference. Given how ubiquitous Wifi is, the available bandwidth for BT devices will most definitely not be able to serve the theoretical maximum of users in any given space.

I hit BT congestion every day. I don't care about theoretical maximum users. When I get into various parts of the city centre BT is worthless. I've switched back to cable.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by ddingus »

jamesrcole wrote: post #676
ddingus wrote: post #672

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What overwhelming Advantage does digital-only audio deliver to the market that's worth the cost of transition to digital only audio? With video, there's a lot of those. And today in the market we have a mix of analog and digital, mostly digital, and it mostly makes sense. That isn't really true of audio. And it's not true because audio works very differently.

Why are you asking me? What about my comment, or its grand-parent comment makes you ask me that?

Replied at wrong level. I am going to leave it.

No pressure.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by _Tev »

rootusrootus wrote: post #673
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #614

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course since most of the issues seem to come from things like interaction with cars, and GPS tends to quickly drain battery thus strongly encouraging using a charger, and therefore lack of a headphone jack makes getting audio in the car much more difficult... well, that "as long as you are not charging" is a pretty big negative. And that's ignoring all the various issues Bluetooth has, like some apps (eg Waze) utt…

Is it really common to use headphones in the car, though? The last few cars I've owned, I plugged my phone into the radio with USB and it both charged the phone and played music as well.

It is _very_ common to charge the phone and listen to the music at the same time. Maybe only for me ... But I won't ever buy these 1-port-for-everything devices.
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