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I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by coldtea »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #370
coldtea wrote: post #347

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> From a security point of view, it's really worrying that a lot of users refuse to upgrade software because of the track record of Apple making devices less usable with every upgrade. A lot of users? iOS has the fastest and widest adoption rate for new releases of any mobile or not OS. Android specifically used to have awful fragmentation issues and phones never updated by the vendor 3 and 4 releases behind. APPLE I…

50% is "a lot of users". Ranting about Android doesn't change that.

50% in a couple weeks after the release.

Android was 6% after much much longer.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by scarface74 »

Aeolun wrote: post #402
coldtea wrote: post #347

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> From a security point of view, it's really worrying that a lot of users refuse to upgrade software because of the track record of Apple making devices less usable with every upgrade. A lot of users? iOS has the fastest and widest adoption rate for new releases of any mobile or not OS. Android specifically used to have awful fragmentation issues and phones never updated by the vendor 3 and 4 releases behind. APPLE I…

I mean, it’s much easier to update if you own the entire platform

I never had a problem updating Windows PCs not made by Microsoft. In fact, I was able to just stick a Windows 7 disk in my old 2006 Core Duo Mac Mini and “upgrade” it after Apple abandoned it.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by scarface74 »

einr wrote: post #391
christopherwxyz wrote: post #384

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CD drives worked well for 30 years. Why not bring them back to all our modern devices, too?

They were removed only when few people used them because there was a better alternative. Many, many people use headphones with 3,5 mm plugs and it is not at all clear that the alternative is better.

Apple removed the CD drive when it was still popular.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by jcelerier »

Ambroos wrote: post #448
jcelerier wrote: post #441

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> 1. turn on BT on the host device (if required); 2. turn on the client device; 3. listen to music. how does that work in a crowded space, e.g. public transport, where I'd wager most people are using BT headsets nowadays ?

Generally quite well. Pairing means your devices know to look for eachother, and the bitrate of music streaming over Bluetooth combined with the low range means you'll need some unrealistic congestion before things really start to fail.

but that's the pairing step which was touted as problematic for users

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by fouc »

jcelerier wrote: post #441
pizza234 wrote: post #429

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I think the problem, in the specific audio area, is the technology itself rather than accessibility. The Bluetooth standard is trash; no stack/device [combination] just works as it's supposed to do. If BT worked, I think accessibility would pose no problem; ultimately, the intended workflow is: 1. turn on BT on the host device (if required); 2. turn on the client device; 3. listen to music. As the BT committees and i…

> 1. turn on BT on the host device (if required); 2. turn on the client device; 3. listen to music. how does that work in a crowded space, e.g. public transport, where I'd wager most people are using BT headsets nowadays ?

https://www.logitech.com/images/pdf/emea_business/2.4ghz_whi...

Seems like it's possible for bluetooth to handle up to 78 users in 10m space without interference.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by fouc »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #488
muse900 wrote: post #414

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Personally I feel like makers saw an opportunity on 1) boost sales on new headphones 2) get rid of the cable hanging around. I can understand and feel your fathers frustration trying to use wireless headphones, on the other side if they never ever get rid of the headphone jack then users are going to end up never getting trained on how to use wireless headphones. Generally with leaps in tech there are leaps in reduce…

> I can understand and feel your fathers frustration trying to use wireless headphones, on the other side if they never ever get rid of the headphone jack then users are going to end up never getting trained on how to use wireless headphones. But why do you want to get rid of the headphone jack? For iPhone, this is a direct downgrade, loss of very useful functionality. That's why people are complaining; while compani…

> But why

Sometimes you have to take a step back to take two steps forward.

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by coldtea »

superflyguy wrote: post #485
coldtea wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From a security point of view, it's really worrying that a lot of users refuse to upgrade software because of the track record of Apple making devices less usable with every upgrade. A lot of users? iOS has the fastest and widest adoption rate for new releases of any mobile or not OS. Android specifically used to have awful fragmentation issues and phones never updated by the vendor 3 and 4 releases behind. APPLE I…

Fragmentation! Lol! The only people who seem to care about "Android fragmentation" are lonely Apple fanbois. It makes no difference to Android users as the version of Android you run and the apps you can install/websites you browse are entirely unconnected.

>The only people who seem to care about "Android fragmentation" are lonely Apple fanbois.

First, "fanbois" is something 15-year olds emotionally invested into "my side is better" would use. Just state what you want to state, and don't assume some magical group of mindless drones or paid shills behind statements that point to deficiencies in a platform. In general, drop "lol", "lonely fanbois" etc from your vocabulary if you want your statements to be taken seriously.

>It makes no difference to Android users as the version of Android you run and the apps you can install/websites you browse are entirely unconnected.

Tons of Android developers have been lamenting fragmentation. It's about having a coherent platform to be able to know what features to count on, and not to have to support several older versions of the OS because most of the buyers are still using it.

Also tons of Android uses have lamented mobile vendors not providing updates for their older models.

https://insights.dice.com/2017/11/16/android-fragmentation-r...

https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/what-is-android-fragmen...

https://hackernoon.com/android-fragmentation-makes-every-and...

Re: I still miss my headphone jack, and I want it back

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Post by jamesrcole »

sacado2 wrote: post #499
jamesrcole wrote: post #492

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> Unless it has a physical failure, your jack socket always just works. What does that mean? What would it mean if I said "Unless it has a physical failure, your car always just works"? I've had lots of problems with wired headphones and jacks. More often it's the headphone that's the problem, but I've have several issues with the jacks themselves. They can get stuff jammed into them, but they can also just not work…

> What does that mean? It means you can have two perfectly functional wireless devices and not be able to make them communicate at all, but it won't happen with an analog wired connection.

Surely you wouldn't accept "Unless it has a connection failure, your wireless headphones alway just work". Because it's implying it has more reliability than it actually has. And the reality is that wired headphones don't always just work either. I've had heaps of problems with the headphones themselves, and several instances of issues with the jacks.

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Post by arsenico »

tjoff wrote: post #423
pookieinc wrote: post #213

We need to take into account _Accessibility_. A large use case that I've found most people seems to miss are individuals who are older and don't have much experience with bluetooth or wireless technology. I'm fine with Apple removing the headphone jack, but they've alienated so many people to find their own path when they don't include the adapter. Anecdotal example: I recently purchased headphones for my 65-year old…

Elderly? I can guarantee that no human being on earth can confidently setup bluetooth on all devices. And that's the issue, these one-off pairings. I had a friend sync with my car bluetooth-stereo, it took a while and from the steering wheel I couldn't be of enough help. But it worked in the end, was quite frustrating though. Then later when I tried to use my phone again it had been lost from the receiver (eventhough…

That is exactly why AirPods are an absolutely superior product.
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