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France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by davkan »

tehbeard wrote: post #660
davkan wrote: post #659

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It’s just the kernel and virtualization stack that are custom. Dual booting is annoying as you lose access to your entire desktop environment. Want to tab out of your game and check your email client? Well you can’t unless you maintain another email on the Windows partition that you only want to use for running a game anyway. If you spend any significant amount of time gaming you just end up getting dragged away from…

Not sure if it's still the case in the 2020's, but back in the 2010's I had no end of issues with Windows deciding to either fuck up the dualboot so nothing would load or overwrite it entirely and leave it as Windows only.

I think I probably switched off dual booting to vfio around 2015. Before that for dual boot I had just followed the arch wiki and used two separate drives, using grub for booting both windows and arch. I don’t remember having issues with dual boot but setting up vfio for gaming was still very fresh at the time and was not trivial for me.

EDIT: looks like it was 2016 i stopped dual booting and switched to vfio because I built a new computer for it a year later https://imgur.com/gallery/battlestation-4BuoZ Ironically reading that back I have just recently started getting into film photography.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by ahartmetz »

smusamashah wrote: post #459
lionkor wrote: post #191

All the comments about Linux gaming make me want to give my $0.02. I've been gaming on Linux, with no Windows installed anywhere, for around 6 years. In the first 3 years, it was a massive pain. Games like S.T.A.L.K.E.R. would consistently have issues with mouse input, weird acceleration, a lot of games wouldn't run at all. This is NO LONGER the case at all. Things run very well out of the box. All games I want to pl…

The DB lists popular games, what about indie games coming out every day?

These are often in the database as well. Indie games also have a very good chance of working without any changes in Proton, IME. They usually aren't very "high tech" and I suspect that at least some of their creators test them with Proton.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by benj111 »

Goronmon wrote: post #433
chocochunks wrote: post #340

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There's Windows games that don't work on Windows 11 but do on Linux (e.g., Red Alert 2). There's wacky gaming peripherals that work on Linux but not on Windows 11 (Try an OG Xbox controller for example). Hell, MS has even removed support for a bunch of VR headsets when they nixed support for Windows Mixed Reality. Why do Windows users ignore the faults of Windows?

Why do Windows users ignore the faults of Windows? How many people care about support for Red Alert 2 and OG Xbox controllers on Windows 11 (assuming either of these truly don't work) versus people who care about the ability to play games like Fortnite?

So really the conversation should come down to how well Linux plays Fortnite then. And bringing up games that 'no one plays' is irrelevant.

You can't have it both ways. Either it's only relevant that Linux plays the big games that are on steam, or people can bring up edge cases where windows doesn't do so well.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by benj111 »

dwedge wrote: post #482
sph wrote: post #206

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Because until literally a year ago, the country that hosted Microsoft was one of France's most trusted allies. It takes time to find a suitable replacement to a global monopoly.

One eu country or another has been talking about this for at least a decade. Nothing will happen this time either, or we'll get another of those things like the weird owncloud knock off that is totally developed by the EU

On the other hand in 2018 Europe managed to sort out LNG etc pretty quick.

I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been louder and faster after the tariffs came in, but we've already had investigation after investigation into monopoly practices, the EU is working on domestic payment processing. So the political will is there. I assume they're just quietly getting on with sorting it out.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by benj111 »

gunsle wrote: post #302
sph wrote: post #206

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Because until literally a year ago, the country that hosted Microsoft was one of France's most trusted allies. It takes time to find a suitable replacement to a global monopoly.

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Sorry I thought it was the president of the US that imposed tariffs, threatened to invade Canada and Greenland, wanted to remove all Gazans from Gaza, etc, etc. not some random Reddit poster. My mistake.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by benj111 »

skeaker wrote: post #490
xorcist wrote: post #210

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> Isn't it about time someone developed one? Honest question: Why? If you want a Windows-like environment, run Windows. I get this all the time when people ask about a Linux equivalent for something, and aren't really satistied when it doesn't work or look the same. Linux isn't a clone of Windows. Linux comes from an older heritage, and has a unique culture. You are in for a hard time if you want to use Linux like yo…

> Honest question: Why? Because it works really well for a corporate environment where you require central management for your devices. Yes, the environments of Linux and Windows are different as you said, and unfortunately that means one will generally be better than the other within certain contexts. The corporate workstation use case is a gigantic one that Windows is currently dominating in, and this is terrible f…

I'm not up on my current windows security, but windows has been dominating for decades, much of which it's security was non existent, being originally a single user system. Linux being a nix is multi user from the ground up.

So you seem to be making a conclusion that isn't warranted.

That isn't to say any of this is wrong per se. Just that being the best does not necessarily lead to success.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by ekianjo »

fluoridation wrote: post #553
himata4113 wrote: post #259

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Well actually I've been technically playing all the games that are protected by these aggressive anticheats on linux since I've decided to switch. My setup is a custom version of the linux kernel that 'backdoors' itself and exposes host information to the windows vm making all the anticheats happy enough to work out of the box. Have not gotten banned in any of the games either. Custom VMM and EDK builds are required…

If you have to run a Windows VM anyway, why not just reboot into Windows?

So you dont need to run Windows all the time, I guess?

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by fxtentacle »

WaryByDesign wrote: post #476
fxtentacle wrote: post #450

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Munich led to "all of Schleswig-Holstein" in Germany. 44,000 Exchange mailboxes replaced with Open-Xchange. 25,000 Windows+Office desktops replaced with Linux+OpenOffice.

Nope. That was rolled back: https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-not-windows-why-munich-i... And, again, I'd very much like Microsoft to lose here, but, there are real issues here

Munich was rolled back but inspired SH to do it instead of them.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by franktankbank »

ChocolateGod wrote: post #120
esskay wrote: post #12

Yeah good on them, everyone needs to do this. It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic, buggy mess it is. "Easy" shouldn't be the excuse in this day and age. Big orgs and especially government entities should be hiring the people that know what they're doing and get off that crummy platform.

> It's nuts Windows is still the go-to for anything these days despite everyone knowing what a parasitic Linux still doesn't have anywhere near as nice and cohesive as Group Policy, Active Directory etc. Plus you can pay Microsoft to host it all for you on Azure.

I'm sorry, but how hard is that? Seriously.

Re: France to ditch Windows for Linux to reduce reliance on US tech

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Post by p_ing »

benj111 wrote: post #666
skeaker wrote: post #490

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> Honest question: Why? Because it works really well for a corporate environment where you require central management for your devices. Yes, the environments of Linux and Windows are different as you said, and unfortunately that means one will generally be better than the other within certain contexts. The corporate workstation use case is a gigantic one that Windows is currently dominating in, and this is terrible f…

I'm not up on my current windows security, but windows has been dominating for decades, much of which it's security was non existent, being originally a single user system. Linux being a nix is multi user from the ground up. So you seem to be making a conclusion that isn't warranted. That isn't to say any of this is wrong per se. Just that being the best does not necessarily lead to success.

NT was designed as a multi-user system from the ground up.
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