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Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by dzhiurgis »

nxm wrote: post #344
speedgoose wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least it doesn’t smell ICE fumes downtown. That’s neat.

Haven’t smell fumes downtown in 30 years since catalytic converters became prevalent

You might have very good smog checks. Here in NZ I've recently replaced my Tesla's HEPA air filters which includes carbon filter which. I've got them slightly cheaper from somewhat ok supplier. Turns out there's ton of fake filters out there (i.e. vacuum filters).

I was suffering every day I was driving it. Smog is insane everywhere.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by simianparrot »

ggm-at-algebras wrote: post #349

In Shenzhen for a tech meeting. The streetscape is quieter, despite high traffic levels and I hear not only MORE birdsong, but the birds do more complex songlines. The air is clean. For sure some of this is because it's a coastal city and has fresh sea breezes, but I've been in other Chinese coastal cities in times past and the air was significantly less clean. There are social upsides for an almost-all-EV city. This…

What about the increased pollution from road dust? In Norway this has led to higher pollution levels that are directly dangerous to people and animals than back when we were all combustion vehicles.

The heavier EV's are causing genuinely harmful particles simply by driving on the roads themselves.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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TrackerFF wrote: post #85

I live in a top EV market, Norway. ICE cars have been planned out for years now, and something like 96% of all new cars in Norway were EV last year. Basically, if you plan on keeping selling ICE cars, you're removing yourself from the market here. There's no future for new personal ICE cars here. I figure most other countries will be the same.

We're struggling with the pollution levels from road dust now though. It's worse in most cities than it ever was with combustion engines. Yes there's lower Co2, but the dust and tire particles are actually more dangerous.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by carefree-bob »

odiroot wrote: post #70

I just hope Honda sticks to making awesome motorcycles.

Honda is the world's largest engine maker: yachts, airplanes, ships, lawnmowers, cars, motorcycles, heavy equipment. They will be fine.

Also, please ignore these announcements. CEOs are trend-following children and their declarations of future behavior should be heavily discounted. Honda will follow the market, as will all the other automakers. This is all sturm and drang. When an automaker says "We will transition to all EV by 2030" then ignore them. When an automaker says "We will not sell any EVs" then ignore them. It's like a child saying "I will grow up to be an astronaut". Just pat them on the head and go about your day.

Focus on what they are bringing to market at any point in time, everything else is foolish talk.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by tomhow »

gorfian_robot wrote: post #333
ikrenji wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tesla is not competitive vs chinese. they can remain afloat wherever the chinese are not allowed to sell, that's about it

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Please omit internet tropes on HN. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Yizahi wrote: post #184
TrackerFF wrote: post #85

I live in a top EV market, Norway. ICE cars have been planned out for years now, and something like 96% of all new cars in Norway were EV last year. Basically, if you plan on keeping selling ICE cars, you're removing yourself from the market here. There's no future for new personal ICE cars here. I figure most other countries will be the same.

EVs are fine and dandy, but it is a luxury class of cars for now and it shows really. Most other countries are far far away from mass deployment of EVs or restricting ICE cars. EVs can win if either a) the car is cheaper than the same class ICE, or b) operational expenses of using EV car would be cheaper. Neither of which is happening yet. And the car do need to have some advantage, since EVs already come with inhere…

In NZ cheapest EV right now (I think it is clearance) is 15.8K USD.

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Post by fraboniface »

simianparrot wrote: post #662
ggm-at-algebras wrote: post #349

In Shenzhen for a tech meeting. The streetscape is quieter, despite high traffic levels and I hear not only MORE birdsong, but the birds do more complex songlines. The air is clean. For sure some of this is because it's a coastal city and has fresh sea breezes, but I've been in other Chinese coastal cities in times past and the air was significantly less clean. There are social upsides for an almost-all-EV city. This…

What about the increased pollution from road dust? In Norway this has led to higher pollution levels that are directly dangerous to people and animals than back when we were all combustion vehicles. The heavier EV's are causing genuinely harmful particles simply by driving on the roads themselves.

Thats' why you need light EVs. Norway has electric tanks. China has light EVs.

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Post by zarzavat »

simianparrot wrote: post #662
ggm-at-algebras wrote: post #349

In Shenzhen for a tech meeting. The streetscape is quieter, despite high traffic levels and I hear not only MORE birdsong, but the birds do more complex songlines. The air is clean. For sure some of this is because it's a coastal city and has fresh sea breezes, but I've been in other Chinese coastal cities in times past and the air was significantly less clean. There are social upsides for an almost-all-EV city. This…

What about the increased pollution from road dust? In Norway this has led to higher pollution levels that are directly dangerous to people and animals than back when we were all combustion vehicles. The heavier EV's are causing genuinely harmful particles simply by driving on the roads themselves.

This sounds like a nice problem to have. Most of the world lives cities blighted by ICE pollution.

Re: Honda is killing its EVs

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Post by dzhiurgis »

aetherspawn wrote: post #636

Guys, cars are specifically designed to work for their entire life in areas where there is no coverage. Thus, there are plenty of EVs, probably all of them, where you can just open the telematics box and pull the SIM card. Then the software will never update, and the car will just stay in whatever state it’s currently in. The moment you do this things will stop working: for example phone app, but your car will be mor…

> The moment you do this things will stop working: for example phone app

Probably untrue with Tesla. I have mine integrated via BLE to home assistant for solar charging. App works via BLE using same protocol.

Your biggest struggle would be avoiding to update the native app, but I guess nothing is stopping you from developing your own implementation.

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