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GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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A collegue of mine was tech lead at a large online bank. For the mobile app, the first and foremost threat that security auditors would find was "The app runs on a rooted phone!!!". Security theater at its finest, checkboxes gotta be checked. The irony is that the devs were using rooted phones for QA and debugging.

But grapheneos doesn't need to be rooted!

Unfortunately, root detection is greatly flawed, most of the time.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Interesting. What are the alternatives to GrapheneOS that you wouldn't consider a "toy" ?

In my understanding, it's not the OS that makes it a toy but the hardware. I guess something with open schematics (Librem 5, Pinephone) should be better, or an open-hardware device like Precursor.

If the open hardware offers at least comparable security then maybe. If the hardware is an open book then no.

A short list of the hardware security measures necessary to consider it "not a toy" ;) -- https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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We need Linux OSes and phones to catch up to really break free from this duopoly. Only when there is enough traction, essential infrastructure like banks will start supporting Oses like that. It's a chicken and egg kind of problem.

what happened to Sailfish? the successor of meego et-al It is finnish, anyone knows how are they going? i used that for 2 years, it's linux+kde bottom to top, a terminal + shell is a builtin, though only supporting 5+ years old Sony phones got tiresome. Still.. it seems the only one that's usable enough apart of the duopoly. May have to switch to it again.

The portions of SailfishOS specific to it including the user interface and application layer are nearly entirely closed source, unlike the open source Android Open Source Project (AOSP). SailfishOS has far worse privacy, security, functionality and usability than the Android Open Source Project. It isn't possible to make a fork improving it due to it not being open source like AOSP.

You can run desktop apps on GrapheneOS including on a desktop monitor via the desktop mode with free form windows. There's support for non-native apps via hardware-based virtualization. These features are experimental but already work pretty well.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Been using this for about a year on a p9 pro. It works very well. I hear the google tap to pay does not work, but I've never tried it. However Vipps with their tap to pay works fine. BankID works but not with biometric login, which some things require IIRC. And for some reason DnB private works fine, but you are not allowed in on the corp app. It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you ca…

I'd also recommend to slowly migrate to GrapheneOS, getting to know where the boundaries are for specific apps. Once you've got your 'dailies' all up and running predictably, then you're good to go, but it could take a few days depending on how much spare time you have to find said boundaries. Having said that, I turn on most of the higher level security protections, which quite a few apps need exceptions from. But,…

I recommend dividing per persona rather than per app category.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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what happened to Sailfish? the successor of meego et-al It is finnish, anyone knows how are they going? i used that for 2 years, it's linux+kde bottom to top, a terminal + shell is a builtin, though only supporting 5+ years old Sony phones got tiresome. Still.. it seems the only one that's usable enough apart of the duopoly. May have to switch to it again.

Jolla mishandled the funds they got for the tablets, it went bankrupt and bought up by a company connected to the Russian state. Jolla lied a lot during these events and tried to hide what happened, and I don't think that's an acceptable thing to do when the main selling point of your product is privacy and trust. AFAIK they recently got bankrupted again and bought by the original owners, but it's hard to rebuild tru…

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what happened to Sailfish? the successor of meego et-al It is finnish, anyone knows how are they going? i used that for 2 years, it's linux+kde bottom to top, a terminal + shell is a builtin, though only supporting 5+ years old Sony phones got tiresome. Still.. it seems the only one that's usable enough apart of the duopoly. May have to switch to it again.

There's a new Jolla Phone in pre-marketing phase right now (almost 9000 phones have been pre-ordered so far). First device deliveries are scheduled for this summer and this should easily be the new benchmark for officially supported SailfishOS devices. The situation with Sony Xperia devices is not great, the best experience is still on the X10III (from 2021 I think) and there are significant issues with the support o…

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47053198.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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what happened to Sailfish? the successor of meego et-al It is finnish, anyone knows how are they going? i used that for 2 years, it's linux+kde bottom to top, a terminal + shell is a builtin, though only supporting 5+ years old Sony phones got tiresome. Still.. it seems the only one that's usable enough apart of the duopoly. May have to switch to it again.

They have been underfunded for a decade now, with some unfortunate consequences - the web browser is based on Gecko 91.

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47053198.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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post #640

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what happened to Sailfish? the successor of meego et-al It is finnish, anyone knows how are they going? i used that for 2 years, it's linux+kde bottom to top, a terminal + shell is a builtin, though only supporting 5+ years old Sony phones got tiresome. Still.. it seems the only one that's usable enough apart of the duopoly. May have to switch to it again.

Jolla mishandled the funds they got for the tablets, it went bankrupt and bought up by a company connected to the Russian state. Jolla lied a lot during these events and tried to hide what happened, and I don't think that's an acceptable thing to do when the main selling point of your product is privacy and trust. AFAIK they recently got bankrupted again and bought by the original owners, but it's hard to rebuild tru…

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47053198.

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Been using GOS since roughly 2020. I refuse to use a Phone without GOS on it. It's been amazing.

I am really hoping that other phone manufacturers will eventually realise that and start making phones that can be supported by GOS.

GrapheneOS was contacted by one of the largest Android OEMs in June 2025 and we're actively working with them. They're going to be announcing our partnership in March 2026 and the phones meeting our requirements with official GrapheneOS support are scheduled for 2027.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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I had a Pixel 6a with Graphene OS for a year before the phone started to glitch and eventually die. It ran pretty hot; sometimes it was hard to even hold the phone in my hands without burning myself. I could not get a replacement as I bought the phone in a foreign country (Google doesn’t sell Pixels here in Brazil). So as much as I love the idea of running a more private phone, I found the hardware extremely fragile…

> I had a Pixel 6a with Graphene OS for a year before the phone started to glitch and eventually die. It ran pretty hot; sometimes it was hard to even hold the phone in my hands without burning myself.

This sounds like your phone may have been one of the Pixel 6a models with a defective battery[1]. It was a major problem for which Google pushed out an update that nerfed the battery life. There is a tool online where you can check if your particular 6a was one with a battery from the bad production batch[2].

But that unfortunately doesn't help if you are in Brazil where, as you say, Pixels aren't officially sold and import/export controls tend to make tech warranties useless in practice.

[1] https://www.lifewire.com/pixel-6a-battery-overheating-warnin...

[2] https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/16340779?hl=en

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