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GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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I can't say about "convenient" because I don't use it, but I have been using QR codes for years and I haven't had a single issue. I don't know anyone who has. QR codes are reliable .

You need an active internet connection to pay via QR. NFC (EMV) works offline.

Got it, that's a good point! It's so much not an issue where I live that I hadn't realised :-). But it is an issue nonetheless.

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> It's mind boggingly stupid that they lock down apps like this, when you can just open the thing in a website anyway. I can use my bank on some linux distro... Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. Even sometimes they require to confirm my identity using their app in order to access their website. I have several linux phones but I can only do banking with their…

> Not in Spain. I can access my bank's website but I can't do anything without their bank app. I don't know about Spain specifically, but as far as I understand it no bank in the European Economic Area + UK should allow banking via just the website alone anymore, because of the "Revised Payment Services Directive" (PSD2) regulation. Essentially, banks are required to implement "strong customer authentication", which…

In Estonia you can easily do banking via the website on all the banks (LHV, Swedbank, SEB). That said, we do have it all integrated with our digital-ID (which every ID card has private keys encoded into with a PIN you know) so it's not like you can access it with a simple password (our online voting works the same way).

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is it worth to buy google pixel just for installing grapheneos? in my country, it is kinda pricey and of course it cannot install bank apps because almost all of them are must non root phone.

Break free from Google by buying their hardware and be dependant on them to actively support the device. Things are absurd at this stage. I guess there is different motivations behind mobile OSes.

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This is especially interesting in regard to the recent HN dicussion on spyware by for-profit intel firms having access to Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal, etc. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47033976 ) through OS-level no-click hijacks. I wonder how secure GrapheneOS is in that regard, and what the other contenders are?

It's just an Android fork. Almost certainly it's equally affected.

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It's very annoying that they restrict themselves to Pixels. I get they can't guarantee all the security features they want on other phones, but even a subset of those security features and the other advantages like the lack of cruft would make it very attractive to be able to run on other phones.

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I can't say about "convenient" because I don't use it, but I have been using QR codes for years and I haven't had a single issue. I don't know anyone who has. QR codes are reliable .

It's regularly unreliable here, because it's reliant on a bank app which in turn is reliant on an internet connection, and banks here are kind of shit. It's pretty common here that people will be told they need to turn off an otherwise working Wifi connection when facing problems because bank apps will often just not work properly on wifi. But as I said, even without that, the convenience level is ridiculously differ…

> It's regularly unreliable here, because it's reliant on a bank app which in turn is reliant on an internet connection

Got it, that's a fair point!

> But as I said, even without that, the convenience level is ridiculously different. It's arguably quicker to open your wallet and use a debit card with an NFC chip than it is to use QR codes

This part sounds like those people who use a different unit system than I do and explain to me how my unit system is objectively more inconvenient than theirs. To which I answer: "I think I know better than you what is more convenient for me, given that I use it everyday" :-).

I use QR codes instead of opening my wallet, which kind of hints towards the former being more convenient than the latter for me. And for the millions of people who also do that.

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We need Linux OSes and phones to catch up to really break free from this duopoly. Only when there is enough traction, essential infrastructure like banks will start supporting Oses like that. It's a chicken and egg kind of problem.

what happened to Sailfish? the successor of meego et-al

It is finnish, anyone knows how are they going?

i used that for 2 years, it's linux+kde bottom to top, a terminal + shell is a builtin, though only supporting 5+ years old Sony phones got tiresome.

Still.. it seems the only one that's usable enough apart of the duopoly. May have to switch to it again.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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They are dependent on the AOSP releases (which Google develops) and on the manufacturer updates (and because GrapheneOS runs on Pixels, then it goes back to Google again).

I can understand relying on an OEM to provide hardware support for a given model - but I'm finding it hard to understand why they're unable to continue supporting a release just because the upstream removes support for something. I'm not even really sure what you mean by "manufacturer updates". The more I hear about this project, the less is sounds like an alternative OS and more it sounds like a thin skin around wha…

They rely on manufacturer support for device firmware, just like anyone else.

Re: GrapheneOS – Break Free from Google and Apple

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I can't take this seriously when their mission statement is to "break free from Google and Apple" and their entire output is a fork of a Google repo.

If you're based on AOSP, the project is still 100% reliant on Google!

It seems extremely cynical to me to depend on the work of a thousand-man team to build your OS, then patch out a couple of lines and claim you've broken free from them. Without Google, none of this project could exist.

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While I respect the Linux on Mobile work, I believe that AOSP is a lot better, with a much better security model. Remember that GrapheneOS is not Android: it's an AOSP-based OS.

You’re not wrong. The thing that bothers me is that AOSP is being developed behind close doors and controlled by a single company which wields way too much power and control over our daily lives, and which has a track record of abusing that power.

Agreed. Though my hope is that AOSP could be forked. Without the contributions from Google, it would surely move slower, but... well it may work.

I actually had hopes that Huawei would start that with HarmonyOS.

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