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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by drusepth »

hedora wrote: post #656
epolanski wrote: post #635

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Not everybody wants/cares for an iPhone. Realistically a 200 euros Xiaomi phone, to most users, is as good as they need it for seeing videos online and chatting. If you want to spend more, at each price tier you have plenty of choice including: better hardware, better cameras, more memory, etc. E.g. I do need dual (physical) sim phones. So I ain't buying iPhones ever for this very need. Consumer trust is very debatab…

Price hasn't been a particularly compelling difference between iOS and Android for a while. Here in the states, you can get a new iPhone 13 for $200 USD, which is 170 euros at today's exchange rate. https://www.metrobyt-mobile.com/cell-phone/apple-iphone-13?i... That's a prepaid cell phone company (no contracts); not sure how many months (if any) you have to pay for to unlock the phone. Renewed and unlocked ones are…

Why would you buy a 5-year-old iPhone for the same price you can get a new Android with comparable specs though? If I'm gonna spend 2-3 hundred on a phone, I'd like it to last at least a couple more years. Regardless of OS, you're more likely to get that on a new phone vs any phone 5+ years old.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by epolanski »

hedora wrote: post #656
epolanski wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everybody wants/cares for an iPhone. Realistically a 200 euros Xiaomi phone, to most users, is as good as they need it for seeing videos online and chatting. If you want to spend more, at each price tier you have plenty of choice including: better hardware, better cameras, more memory, etc. E.g. I do need dual (physical) sim phones. So I ain't buying iPhones ever for this very need. Consumer trust is very debatab…

Price hasn't been a particularly compelling difference between iOS and Android for a while. Here in the states, you can get a new iPhone 13 for $200 USD, which is 170 euros at today's exchange rate. https://www.metrobyt-mobile.com/cell-phone/apple-iphone-13?i... That's a prepaid cell phone company (no contracts); not sure how many months (if any) you have to pay for to unlock the phone. Renewed and unlocked ones are…

That's legacy machine, soon out of support. Not a sensible choice imho even if hardware might be still okay.

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by epolanski »

shadowgovt wrote: post #643
epolanski wrote: post #635

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Not everybody wants/cares for an iPhone. Realistically a 200 euros Xiaomi phone, to most users, is as good as they need it for seeing videos online and chatting. If you want to spend more, at each price tier you have plenty of choice including: better hardware, better cameras, more memory, etc. E.g. I do need dual (physical) sim phones. So I ain't buying iPhones ever for this very need. Consumer trust is very debatab…

It's true, but the main reason I haven't just switched to an iPhone is the ecosystem that lets me write apps without having to pay Apple money or use their computers. If Google is narrowing their moat on this, there are a lot fewer reasons for me, personally, to stay on the platform.

Sure, but the alternative ain't better for it, no?

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Post by hedora »

drusepth wrote: post #661
hedora wrote: post #656

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Price hasn't been a particularly compelling difference between iOS and Android for a while. Here in the states, you can get a new iPhone 13 for $200 USD, which is 170 euros at today's exchange rate. https://www.metrobyt-mobile.com/cell-phone/apple-iphone-13?i... That's a prepaid cell phone company (no contracts); not sure how many months (if any) you have to pay for to unlock the phone. Renewed and unlocked ones are…

Why would you buy a 5-year-old iPhone for the same price you can get a new Android with comparable specs though? If I'm gonna spend 2-3 hundred on a phone, I'd like it to last at least a couple more years. Regardless of OS, you're more likely to get that on a new phone vs any phone 5+ years old.

If Apple's still selling it, they'll almost certainly support it at least as long as an above-average Android manufacturer.

The current iOS supports things back to iPhone 11 and the SE2, so you can expect the SE3 and iPhone 13 to get at least two more years of support (no real guarantees, but they're still selling new stock of both, and they have a reputation to protect).

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Post by karlgkk »

Jedd wrote: post #156
karlgkk wrote: post #80

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Honestly, you’re so wrong about the app situation that it’s almost staggering. iOS apps tend to be more stable, better polished, have better integration with system features (like the Dynamic Island), and even often have more features. This isn’t even an unfounded opinion, it’s a material problem for Google and led them to vastly investing in automated testing and quality efforts App addressable user base is another…

FWIW, starting a sentence with "Honestly ..." always makes me think the rest of what this person has to say is dishonest. Your BIO on HN is: > I HAVEN'T SHOWERED AT ALL! THAT'S WHY I REEK! WORKING IN FINTECH! AIN'T SHAVED IN WEEKS! POUR CRUMBS FROM MY KEYBOARD! THAT'S WHAT I EAT! WROTE A CURRENCY LIBRARY! 3RD TIME THIS WEEK! LURKING HN! I PREFER /b/! IN MOM'S BASEMENT! I'M THIRTY THREE! IT'S 3'O'CLOCK AM! THAT'S WHEN…

> What level of credibility are you seeking?

I didn’t realize I needed to seek credibility. Seems kind of sad to have to read someone’s hn profile to decide if their post has merit or not

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Post by karlgkk »

fennecbutt wrote: post #192
Jedd wrote: post #156

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FWIW, starting a sentence with "Honestly ..." always makes me think the rest of what this person has to say is dishonest. Your BIO on HN is: > I HAVEN'T SHOWERED AT ALL! THAT'S WHY I REEK! WORKING IN FINTECH! AIN'T SHAVED IN WEEKS! POUR CRUMBS FROM MY KEYBOARD! THAT'S WHAT I EAT! WROTE A CURRENCY LIBRARY! 3RD TIME THIS WEEK! LURKING HN! I PREFER /b/! IN MOM'S BASEMENT! I'M THIRTY THREE! IT'S 3'O'CLOCK AM! THAT'S WHEN…

Ngl I think that bio is hilarious.

It’s chuggo lyrics. Ah fuck a guy!

Re: Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by karlgkk »

wiseowise wrote: post #102
karlgkk wrote: post #80

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Honestly, you’re so wrong about the app situation that it’s almost staggering. iOS apps tend to be more stable, better polished, have better integration with system features (like the Dynamic Island), and even often have more features. This isn’t even an unfounded opinion, it’s a material problem for Google and led them to vastly investing in automated testing and quality efforts App addressable user base is another…

> browser is deemphasized on iOS, and so it’s weaker feature set matters less That's precisely the OP's point. They gimped their browser so there's bigger incentive to use their proprietary system frameworks. > iOS is generally easier to develop for because of less device differentiation That's nonsense. What year are you from? I've heard this like 10 years ago when there only 1 or 2 current iPhone models in circulat…

Really almost every rebuttal you offer is factually incorrect while demonstrating a lack of knowledge of the modern developer experience.

For example

> That's nonsense. What year are you from? I've heard this like 10 years ago when there only 1 or 2 current iPhone models in circulation.

What? Models? Is that how you think? Screen sizes? Resolution? That’s so… 2015.

Apple has kept consistent scaling factors across their phones, laptops, and tablets. That alone counts for a ton of saved data effort. Device ratios are also generally consistent.

Android… well, not much needs to be said. It impacts the developer experience in a substantial way.

> If you offer subscription service, like Netflix/HBO/Nest or whatever, your main goal is volume, not how wealthy your demographic is.

Ironically making my point for me without realizing it (wealthier users sub more) AND dismissing the massive market that smaller services exist in. Incredible two for one miss.

> That's like Android's moat from the start, not bolted on during some 10+ major versions like on iOS.

A moat they squandered. Look at platform tablet adoption. It’s dire for Google now.

As for “bolted on”? lol.

I know the mobile os holy wars always activate posts like this, but for some people it’s simply impossible that despite some visible missteps, Apple has been out executing Google for quite some time now.

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Post by psii »

wongarsu wrote: post #603
psii wrote: post #202

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Correct, same in Germany. Here is a photo I shot last December in an electronics store. Aurora Store is now official, I guess. https://imgur.com/a/v6zaRYo

I don't think that picture indicates in any way that there are no Google Services on those phones. I've had multiple Chinese phones, and all of them had both their in-house app store (every brand seems to have their own) and also the Google Play Store. And obviously things like Google Play Services and Google Maps are installed too, way too many Android apps wouldn't work without them This isn't even a China-exclusiv…

Aurora Store is not a separate app store but is an alternative front-end to the Google Play Store. Combined with microG it should be possible to get all the Google apps.

There must be a reason why Aurora Store is being advertised, though. Why would they do that if they could just pre-install Google Play Store and standard Google applications.

Update: End of 2018, I bought a Huawei phone with GApps. I remember that two or three generations later, Huawei was not allowed to include GApps anymore.

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Post by mexicocitinluez »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #608
mexicocitinluez wrote: post #560

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Yes, trapping users into their walled hardware garden so they can rent seek. You buy a phone, and you're forever forced into buying only their peripherals.

That’s demonstrably untrue. You could say that there are Apple devices that do not work well or don’t work at all without another Apple device, and off the top of my head I would say the only ones are the Watch and the HomePod, but most alternative devices work fine with Apple ones, e.g Chromecast, Garmin watches, Google Home hubs, etc. And even so, the same could be said about Android only features and devices, e.g.…

Demonstrably not true? What did you do with the 200+ Apple-only charging cables?
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