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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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Post by observationist »

omnicognate wrote: post #258

It would help if TV manufacturers would clearly document what these features do, and use consistent names that reflect that. It seems they want to make these settings usable without specialist knowledge, but the end result of their opaque naming and vague descriptions is that anybody who actually cares about what they see and thinks they might benefit from some of the features has to either systematically try every p…

TV's are on their way to free, and are thoroughly enshittified. The consumer is the product, so compliance with consumer preferences is going to plummet. They don't care if you know what you want, you're going to get what they provide.

They want a spy device in your house, recording and sending screenshots and audio clips to their servers, providing hooks into every piece of media you consume, allowing them a detailed profile of you and your household. By purchasing the device, you're agreeing to waiving any and all expectations of privacy.

Your best bet is to get a projector, or spend thousands to get an actual dumb display. TVs are a lost cause - they've discovered how to exploit users and there's no going back.

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Post by zargon »

tuetuopay wrote: post #370
throw-12-16 wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize that "voices too low, explosions too high" is because of the audio mixing in the movies and how it sounds on shitty integrated speakers right? When you have a good setup those same movies sound incredible, Nolan films are a perfect example.

I understand it perfectly well, yes. It is an audio mixing made for theaters with sound isolation so that it's absolutely possible to hear the dialogue. I have no trouble understanding the dialogue with the volume tuned up to what I would have in a theater. Yet I do live in a flat, in Paris, with neighbors on the same floor, on the floor above, and on the floor below. Thus I tune the volume to something that is accep…

I *do* have a home theater with calibrated receiver, etc etc. Nolan sound mixes are still atrocious.

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Post by m3047 »

pentaphobe wrote: post #248
snakeboy wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

There's been a lot of speculation/rationalisation around this already, but one I've not seen mentioned is the possibility of it being at least a little down to a kind of "don't look back" collective arrogance (in addition to real technical challenges) (This may also apply to the "everything's too dark" issue which gets attributed to HDR vs. SDR) Up until fairly recently both of these professions were pretty small, ti…

"everything's too dark": it could be temporizing or parallel construction, but my understanding is that "everything's too dark" originates from trying to optimize the color map to show off some detail that we obviously don't care about.

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Post by pwdisswordfishy »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #596
neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

Like people putting ketchup on a steak, eating pizza with a fork, putting chili in a hand baked loaf of sourdough, using a garbage disposal as another trash can, or generally using the thing someone is knowledgeable about "wrong". For you it's film, but most people have their thing, and you're probably doing the same thing to something else in your household.

At least when people think that ketchup belongs on steak, that's a choice they're making that only affects themselves. They don't insist on squirting it on your side of the table because you happen to be sharing a meal.

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Post by bayarearefugee »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #223
snakeboy wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Makes sense, but how does this explain the fact that this problem seems recent, or at least to have worsened recently ?

TV shows changed completely in the streaming age it seems. These days they really are just super long movies with glacial pacing to keep users subscribed.

Even as an older person, I prefer the new format, with the exception of the now common 2-3 year gaps between seasons.

That part of it, while I know the reasons given for it, is becoming increasingly annoying/frustrating.

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Post by eutropia »

pupppet wrote: post #66

The fact that I have to turn on closed captioning to understand anything tells me these producers have no idea what we want and shouldn’t be telling us what settings to use.

Yeah, this was a problem for me until I upgraded to using actual speakers with an amp and everything. TV sound is terrible for dialog these days!

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Post by throw-12-16 »

zargon wrote: post #662
tuetuopay wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand it perfectly well, yes. It is an audio mixing made for theaters with sound isolation so that it's absolutely possible to hear the dialogue. I have no trouble understanding the dialogue with the volume tuned up to what I would have in a theater. Yet I do live in a flat, in Paris, with neighbors on the same floor, on the floor above, and on the floor below. Thus I tune the volume to something that is accep…

I *do* have a home theater with calibrated receiver, etc etc. Nolan sound mixes are still atrocious.

Tenet is the only one that I have issues with, but that movie sucks anyways.

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

neom wrote: post #509

I know this sounds extreme but I get actually angry/frustrated and often just can't watch peoples TVs. I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood. I went to film school, I have emmy's, I've watched hours long conversations about frame rates and dynamic range choices and so many aspects of the creative process that the TV then..…

My TV is mostly calibrated to turning off all the processing and D65 white point (Warm 2 on Samsungs) but I can't watch unsmoothed 24p content on the 120Hz screen anymore - it looks incredibly juddery and sort of nausea-inducing. I don't recall having this issue on an older cheap Hisense TV, maybe there's something about higher refresh rate that makes the 24FPS really look bad.

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Post by rsanheim »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #383
omnicognate wrote: post #258

It would help if TV manufacturers would clearly document what these features do, and use consistent names that reflect that. It seems they want to make these settings usable without specialist knowledge, but the end result of their opaque naming and vague descriptions is that anybody who actually cares about what they see and thinks they might benefit from some of the features has to either systematically try every p…

> It would help if TV manufacturers would clearly document what these features do, and use consistent names that reflect that. It would also help if there was a common, universal, perfect "reference TV" to aim for (or multiple such references for different use cases), with the job of the TV being to approximate this reference as closely as possible. Alas, much like documenting the features, this would turn TVs into c…

These exist, typically made by Panasonic or Sony, and cost upwards of 20k USD. HDTVtest has compared them to the top OLED consumer tvs in the past. Film studios use the reference models for their editing and mastering work.

Sony specifically targets the reference with their final calibration on their top TVs, assuming you are in Cinema or Dolby Vision mode, or whatever they call it this year.

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