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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by johannes1234321 »

dylan604 wrote: post #602
carlosjobim wrote: post #576

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Again, you seem to think that public/private need to be used at the same time. You can have a private event that is publicized so everyone knows it happens yet only those invited can attend. A royal wedding would be an example to keep it in the same realm as the topic. The entire planet knew when William at Kate were getting married, when it was, and where it was. If you tried to get into that event without an invite…

The fact that the event is known about doesn't mean everybody is invited or it being appropriate to share pictures in a different public from the event.

Let's take some specific events: Weddings of British royalty. A simple peasant can't simply walk in and take a seat at a front row of Westminster Abbey, despite being the probably most public wedding.

Or other related example: When they televised the coronation of Elizabeth II the coronation was extremely public event, probably the most public event of that decade, however the actual moment where the crown was put on her head was purposly hidden from cameras behind the bishops robe for spiritual reasons.

And then consider: Weddings are often extensive celebrations, which take long, with lots of food, lots of alcohol. Many chances for unpleasant photos. Those who were there saw it, but a different public doesn't need pictures of drunk uncle Bill and the bride doesn't want the most public picture of here wedding to be the one where the dress isn't in order.

Being well known doesn't take away privacy.

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Post by greenavocado »

buildsjets wrote: post #407
greenavocado wrote: post #217

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Most states in the United States allow one one-party consent for audio recordings.

Most parents will punch you in the face if you try to record audio of thier children without two party consent.

Do that in a public place and you will catch an assault and/or battery charge

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Post by Theodores »

lenors wrote: post #174
eterm wrote: post #29

I wonder if it's a generational or cultural difference present in the comments here. I am sympathetic to the author, and I also find video a bit invasive of privacy in a way that photos aren't. I therefore find the (obviously common) attitude that videos are just "something you need to accept" quite alien, but I wonder how much of that attitude is just comments coming from a younger generation that have grown up with…

I'm from Gen Z and the idea of being filmed and published online without my consent sounds like a nightmare. It is my belief that it's an invasion of privacy (even in a public space) and questionable from a (cyber)security perspective. In France we got the Droit à l'image (Right to the image) which makes it illegal to post images or videos of people online without their consent, so that may be why that feels very str…

France - where the 'Society of the Spectacle' was written by Guy Debord in the 1960s, where he predicted late stage capitalism as being mediated by images, so rather than reality, human existence and relationships between people are 'mediated by images'.

This is at the heart of what is going on. Society of the Spectacle is not an easy read, but it most definitely is pertinent to what is going on. Instagram is the final boss!

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Post by greenavocado »

hunter2_ wrote: post #566
webstrand wrote: post #418

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I figured that "reasonable expectation of privacy" was a given in the scenario. It's a family gathering, the livestreamer is not being obvious about their recording, there's a "reasonable expectation of privacy". Your ICE protest example is performed in public, its a protest, its not meant to be private, thus fails the test of "reasonable expectation of privacy". Action taken by agents of the state are also public ac…

I'm not so sure that the family gathering scenario is well-defined, though. If I'm at a gathering in someone's house, and I'm in a room with only the person/people that I'm actively talking to, then I feel reasonably private in the sense that my words are falling only on the ears of intended recipients. But if I'm in a room with the people I'm talking to and also people I'm not talking to, then I acknowledge that ear…

If everyone is inside a private home, the host has not given permission to stream, and the streamer is deliberately keeping the camera/phone hidden, then no-one has waived their expectation of privacy, and the streamer is intercepting a conversation they are not a party to

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Post by brailsafe »

brudgers wrote: post #628
brailsafe wrote: post #556

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> To put it another way, joining the bird watching community means keeping lists. Yes, of course you can just watch birds for your personal pleasure, but documentation is a core community activity. How do you define community? Seems like a bit rigid of a implied requirement. The whole idea of conflating community and publicity or some documentation requirement seems a bit silly to me, and it's definitely not rare, bu…

The birdwatching community is similar to a collecting community insofar as seeing a bird is like having it in your collection and going out to birdwatch is like hunting items to add to your collection. Lists and records fill the role a physical collection plays in collecting hobbies. The whole idea of conflating community and publicity or some documentation requirement seems a bit silly to me Usually that simply mean…

That all sounds fantastic, I'm sure I'd find that pretty engaging and I enjoy making small collections of hobbyist interests and going on adventures in-pursuit of niche experiences as well.

I wasn't so much curious about the mechanics of the hobby, although it is interesting, rather what defines it as a "community". Like what qualifies or doesn't qualify as being in or out of the "community"? If I make a list of birds I've seen, and don't share it with anyone, am in a community? If I share a photo on Instagram and mention it in passing to my close friend, am I in a community then? Do I need to be on some common platform, communicating at all about other bird lists? My grandfather kind of has a similar hobby with planes, but I'm sure he doesn't think of himself as part of a global community of plane enthusiasts, yet his local wood carving community is a place he goes and talks to people he knows by name and has spent years around, evidently a community with the requirement that you're into wood carving

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Post by NedF »

jen729w wrote: post #11

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…

> I get it, but the alternative is what?

Airsoft sites ban/allow videos in certain matches.

Not rocket science. We manage in public spaces like toilets ok.

They also point to purple lanyards in conferences and suggest an equivalent in Airsoft.

Why is this comment going back to zero? Does Hacker News not have the ability to move forward? Is this a central tenant to the nihilism worship that is Hacker News?

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Post by tintor »

advisedwang wrote: post #471
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #133

Genuinely curious: what concrete negative consequences are there from appearing in the background of other people’s photos/videos, in a full face mask no less? Is he afraid that someone will be able to identify him as engaging in a hobby that some people might be judgmental about, e.g. a potential employer finding the footage and concluding “this guy spends lots of time and money playing a children’s game; he’s clear…

There are A LOT of concrete reasons you might not want to be recorded at an airsoft event: * Don't want to be ridiculed if you look silly (it is airsoft, after all) * It's distracting to be videoed * You have a stalker trying to find information about you * Makes you feel pressure to put on make up and look "decent" * Something you say might sound bad out of context and result in being ostracized or otherwise sociall…

* You called-in sick for work :)

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Post by tintor »

iagooar wrote: post #479

I would like to share an even more extrem version of this. I come from a country that could be potentially affected by the Russian-Ukranian war. A couple of years ago, the government presented a program for volunteers, consisting of a military crash-course over a weekend to get to know the basics. Military service is voluntary in my country, so I thought it might actually be a good idea to have had a rifle in my hand…

That is a positive example of respecting consent:

They asked for consent before filming.

You disagreed and didn't participate.

They didn't record you and didn't publish video of you.

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Post by greycol »

jonny_eh wrote: post #648
sentientslug wrote: post #632

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I get your point but even if elected it can sway public perception of character

Any negative perception of JD Vance is due to his recent behavior and statements, not from his awkward youth.

I wouldn't be surprised if spurious criticisms about an awkward youth and couch fucking have inured him to very real criticism of his governance.
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