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Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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Re: Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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> Why is Pocket shutting down? > Pocket has helped millions save articles and discover stories worth reading. But the way people use the web has evolved, so we’re channeling our resources into projects that better match their browsing habits and online needs. Oh yeah, it explains everything. I wish one day a company pr representative will be bold enough to just say "we don't want to tell you".

I read this as: Nobody was using it.

Re: Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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Ah, Firefox, the overly attached browser: https://bug1791524.bmoattachments.org/attachment.cgi?id=9295... (From https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1791524 )

A lot of developers and “UX” “experts” really don’t appreciate how extreme these modals are. They disrupt everyone a little bit, and for less-technical users can throw them off entirely. “Once per year” heh, add it to all the other disruptive shit they pop up and out on launch basically at random and they’re training users to dread launching the program. “Will it slap me in the face this time? If so, how hard?” Most…

Thinking about it, most users probably don't care about what programs they use, having it pop up with a "Thanks for loving me" must've been a WTF moment.

Imagine if the calculator or stock app did that. Or the wrench in your toolbox...

Re: Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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Yeah I have 32k saves and hit the same problems with search being extremely unreliable. About 5 years ago quotes stopped working in search. Trying to find "The Grapes of Wrath" would return all instances of "of" and "the." You could sort of hack it by searching for the most distinct word (maybe "Grapes") if you already knew exactly what you were searching for. I long suspected there was some architectural change they…

> having a text copy of all articles in their database was some legal risk the risk should've been the same with google's index, and yet they're dandy! I think it's more easily explained by incompetence. Esp. when stop words like 'of' and 'the' are somehow included in the index. These are almost trivial to remove prior to indexing (any decent indexing library, such as lucene, would have a prepared list of stop words…

> the risk should've been the same with google's index, and yet they're dandy!

Sure it should be but reality says Google has many more and probably better lawyers so the risk is clearly different.

Re: Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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Don't forget Readeck. I've been super pleased with it. (Omnivore is dead btw.)

Omnivore is open source, bit weird people insist on open source because 'future proof' and then when the commercial entity disappears, it's 'dead'. Why do people make their own instead of making an entity around what is already there if it was liked and open? Very much a validation for not open sourcing anyway. But then again, I cannot possibly use Obsidian or so because when they sell the place (not if, when), sure…

Right, I was referring more to the commercial project (similar to Pocket ending). I was testy about it because it was one of the best I'd seen in a while ... until it wasn't. I'm glad it's continued on as an open source, community project.

Re: Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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Don't forget Readeck. I've been super pleased with it. (Omnivore is dead btw.)

Omnivore is open source, bit weird people insist on open source because 'future proof' and then when the commercial entity disappears, it's 'dead'. Why do people make their own instead of making an entity around what is already there if it was liked and open? Very much a validation for not open sourcing anyway. But then again, I cannot possibly use Obsidian or so because when they sell the place (not if, when), sure…

You can still host it, and pressumably it should keep working, I wouldn't set up a new instance with it because I don't quite see an active dev community around it (But I do with Wallabag or Shiori), no one is stopping the community if there's interest

Around obsidian, as long as you avoid plugins that don't store data as plain text there's nothing to export and you could use any text editor (Or even IDE) in place of obsidian

No boilerplate has an interesting video about it, Obsidian: The Good Parts [1], I can open my Vault with VSCode or nvim and have all my data, sans the pretty views, because I also avoid the non text extensions, and if push comes to shove, I can grep for tags or something simple like that

Obsidian might sell (Maybe when one of the founders/owners go away), but it's not like they have investors to appease, they could keep the show going indefinitely as far as I can tell

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0yAy2j-9V0

Re: Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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I wish I could just buy out Mozilla outright so that they could you know, focus on building a browser. Alas, my wallets nowhere near big enough to do so. Leave all the business ventures to a completely different (named too) org. I grow tired of them starting something great and then stopping because they've wasted funds. Like oxidizing Firefox I was really excited for. Sadly they stopped while they had broken amazing…

You would buy them out so they could focus 100% of their time to an endeavor that doesn't bring in any money except from a ludicrously generous gift from Google that might be illegal?

Like I get it, I wish they could just be a browser company too but all their other side ventures are desperate attempts to diversify their revenue. They don't have a billion dollar ad business obviate their need to actually be a business.

Re: Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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I was a user for so long that I was on it before it even rebranded as Pocket. I finally gave up on it last year, mostly due to frustration with the terrible 2023 redesign of the mobile app. When Mozilla made the unfathomable decision to become an internet advertising company, I figured it was just a matter of time before they had to put Pocket out to pasture. A product that's designed to strip ads from content for re…

I have another theory, actually. I'm also a very old user, since the first days of the service, and I don't know how many saves I have it inside (will see when my export arrives). The latest iteration's search was abysmal , and I normally refrain from using strong words. It failed to find exact matches from titles, the words or excerpts I know that exist in the article I'm searching for, and as a result, it became a…

I’m curious: with that many saves, what were you main reasons for using Pocket? Did you glean info at scale or is it just the case that you saved so much, read some subset, and it grew over time?

Re: Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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Mozilla is more occupied this days paying multi milionary bonus to its executives and begging users for money they waste on useless projects. Mozilla must die, so Firefox can live.

Their reckoning day is coming when Google stops paying them $500m+ a year to be the default search engine. That payment alone account for 80% of Mozilla's budget, and has made them fat, wasteful, and directionless. It's really upsetting to me personally, I gave a lot (time, code, and money) to Mozilla in the early days when they were really struggling.

I also hope that Google stops paying Apple $20B/yr for the same reason. The effect on the stock market due to a sudden reduction in Apple services revenue will be fun to watch.

Re: Mozilla to shut down Pocket and Fakespot

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Microsoft was (and is) interested in Electron. They used it for lots of stuff like MS Teams (which is now using their WebView2 control), VSCode, Outlook, and their Graph toolkit.

Outlook is Electron slop now? Jesus christ.

It's so fantastic that it can't even open Outlook .msg files. It boggles the mind
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