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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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How can you definitively know?

In the case of Linux Mint, I can check the commit history, build the software myself and even validate it against public checksums. It is expressly defended against these types of attacks, making it an odd choice to single out.

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I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.

J.D. Vance's problem with Europe is that we have too many brown people. As a very privacy-oriented European I don't need American alt-right populists to concern troll about surveillance and privacy in Europe.

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I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.

The unspoken part of that is Vance likely thinks that the people should fear their government.

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The Bloomberg article has a little more detail about this: > Customers already using Advanced Data Protection, or ADP, will need to manually disable it during an unspecified grace period to keep their iCloud accounts. The company said it will issue additional guidance in the future to affected users and that it does not have the ability to automatically disable it on their behalf.

Wow, thanks for sharing! I thought that might be the case but "disable it or we'll have to nuke your data" seems so extreme I thought there must be a better way.

Anything else would be indicative of ADP encryption not working the way they said it does.

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My assumption is that Google has keys to everything in its kingdom [1]. [1] https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-ci...

> My assumption is that Google has keys to everything in its kingdom If that were true, then their claims to support E2E encrypted backups are simply false, and they would have been subject to warrants to unlock backups, just like Apple had been until they implemented their "Advanced Data Protection" in 2022. Wouldn't there have been be some evidence of that in the past 7 years, either through security research, or t…

Is the source code for every binary blob present on an Android device available for inspection, and is the code running on every Android device verifiable as having been built from that source?

> or through convictions

If they wanted to use this evidence for a normal criminal case, they would just do parallel construction.

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As far as I know you can still opt to backup your entire iPhone to a local computer instead of iCloud. You can also manually transfer photos to the computer. Or you can enable a different app (Google Photos or Dropbox for example) to store copies of every picture you take, and then turn off iCloud Photos. Note that neither Google nor Dropbox are E2E encrypted either though.

What would you recommend as a DIY method? I have a NAS that is accessible through VPN. But I don't trust its encryption, thought it is in my controlled location.

The simplest arrangement for me was to have the device back up to my Mac, and then said Mac has Time Machine set up to back up to the NAS. iOS and Mac local backups can be encrypted by the OS itself.

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It's always hilarious to see how far people here are ready to go to twist some bad Apple news into something which might be considered good. I mean seriously. Apple making a stand? What stand? They are ripping security out of their customers hands. Customers which are already dependent on the company's decision in their locked in environment. There is absolutely nothing good about it, and you dragging Android into it…

The government forced them to pull the feature. Would you rather they left a toggle-switch that doesn't actually do anything? Or are you thinking they should just pull out of the EU altogether?

Making a stand would be leaving UK (UK is not in the EU) altogether.

This is almost as bad as building a backdoor. This is leaving your customer in the rain.

Fortunately for Apple, most of them won't even know or realize it.

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The smartphone is a terrible platform. Something like this could never happen on the PC, where you can install any encryption and backup software that you want. While Apple did the right thing by refusing to give the UK government a backdoor, they are responsible for getting users in this situation in the first place. I'm not familiar with the iPhone and maybe there is already an alternative to iCloud ADP, although t…

I haven’t checked lately but since it launched the iPhone has allowed the owner to choose whether to back up to Apple’s servers (which would be affected by the UK order) or back up to their local computer.

It's not an either-or, actually, even though the setting is worded like it is. But even if you have cloud backups enabled, you can still manually trigger a local backup.

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It's always hilarious to see how far people here are ready to go to twist some bad Apple news into something which might be considered good. I mean seriously. Apple making a stand? What stand? They are ripping security out of their customers hands. Customers which are already dependent on the company's decision in their locked in environment. There is absolutely nothing good about it, and you dragging Android into it…

There is an upside (if you trust them) -- they're pulling a feature rather than adding a back door to it. Supposedly, anyway.

Well, sure it could be worse.

Doesn't make that one good, though.

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No, you can use iTunes to make a local backup too. It was a thing long before iCloud.

Fair enough, however iTunes is also Apple software no? So your choice is use Apple software to make your backups, or....?

Interacting with any device running iOS requires Apple software (or reverse engineered hacks) for many features.

However, in this case, the point is that you can use Apple software to make a local backup (and you can enforce the "local" part by doing so offline), and then use whatever you want to encrypt and stash away the resulting files.

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