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Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by ido »

digitcatphd wrote: post #651
mvkel wrote: post #510

I've been using cursor since it launched, sticking almost exclusively to claude-3.5-sonnet because it is incredibly consistent, and rarely loses the plot. As subsequent models have been released, most of which claim to be better at coding, I've switched cursor to it to give them a try. o1, o1-pro, deepseek-r1, and the now o3-mini. All of these models suffer from the exact same "adhd." As an example, in a NextJS app,…

The reality is I suspect one will use different models for different things. Think of it like having different modes of transportation. You might use your scooter, bike, car, jet - depending on the circumstances. A bike was invented 100 years ago? But it may be the best in the right use case. Would still be using DaVinci for some things because we haven't bothered swapping it and it works fine. For me - the value of…

I have an even more topical analogy! Using different languages for different tasks. When I need some one off script do automate some drudgery (take all files with certain pattern in their name, for each do some search and replace in the text inside, zip them, upload zip to URL, etc) I use python. When Im working on a multi-platform game I use c# (and unity). When I need to make something very lean that works in mobile browsers I use JS with some light-weight libraries.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by nprateem »

simonw wrote: post #529

Now that the dust is settling a little bit, I have published my notes so far on o3-mini here: https://simonwillison.net/2025/Jan/31/o3-mini/ To save you the click: I think the most interesting things about this model are the price - less than half that of GPT-4o while being better for many things, most notably code - and the increased length limits. 200,000 tokens input and 100,000 output (compared to 128k/16k for GP…

I've found with sonnet that the longer its output the less it adheres to the prompt.

Ask it to write something and not sound robotic and it's exceptional up to 1000 words. Then it starts becoming more and more robotic. At 3500 words every last paragraph starts "Remember,...", etc

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by qwertox »

simonw wrote: post #306

I used o3-mini to summarize this thread so far. Here's the result: https://gist.github.com/simonw/09e5922be0cbb85894cf05e6d75ae... For 18,936 input, 2,905 output it cost 3.3612 cents. Here's the script I used to do it: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/claude-hacker-news-themes...

How is the `system` prompt "injected"? Afaik o1 onwards no longer have a SYSTEM role. Is it just a normal part of the prompt?

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by PeterHolzwarth »

liamwire wrote: post #633
msp26 wrote: post #60

I wish they'd just reveal the CoT (like gemini and deepseek do), it's very helpful to see when the model gets misled by something in your prompt. Paying for tokens you aren't even allowed to see is peak OpenAI.

sama and OpenAI’s CPO Kevin Weil both suggested this is coming soon, as a direct response to DeepSeek, in an AMA a few hours ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/s/EElFfcU8ZO

Do you have a direct link to that? My "force .old on everything" plugin is having problems resolving your url (sorry!).

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by naiv »

qwertox wrote: post #663
simonw wrote: post #306

I used o3-mini to summarize this thread so far. Here's the result: https://gist.github.com/simonw/09e5922be0cbb85894cf05e6d75ae... For 18,936 input, 2,905 output it cost 3.3612 cents. Here's the script I used to do it: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/claude-hacker-news-themes...

How is the `system` prompt "injected"? Afaik o1 onwards no longer have a SYSTEM role. Is it just a normal part of the prompt?

It's called 'developer message' now

https://x.com/OpenAIDevs/status/1885407759887155301

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by slowmotiony »

kugelblitz wrote: post #480
nullpoint420 wrote: post #271

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Can't wait for the eventual rename to GPT Core, GPT Plus, GPT Pro, and GPT Pro Max models! I can see it now: > Unlock our industry leading reasoning features by upgrading to the GPT 4 Pro Max plan.

Had the same problem while trying to decide which Roborock device to get. There's the S series, Saros series, Q Series and the Qrevo. And from the Qrevo, there's Qrevo Curv, Edge, Slim, Master, MaxV, Plus, Pro, S and without anything. The S Series had S8, S8+, S8 Pro Ultra, S8 Max Ultra, S8 MaxV Ultra. It was so confusing.

I ordered the wrong xbox on amazon once. Wanted the series X, got the one X instead

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by petesergeant »

lesuorac wrote: post #176
echelon wrote: post #20

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There's no moat, and they have to work even harder. Competition is good.

I really don't think this is true. OpenAI has no moat because they have nothing unique; they're using mostly other people's (like Transformers) architectures and other companies hardware. Their value-prop (moat) is that they've burnt more money than everybody else. That moat is trivially circumvented by lighting a larger pile of money and less trivially by lighting the pile more efficently. OpenAI isn't the only comp…

> OpenAI has no moat

... is definitely something I've said before, and recently, but:

> That moat is trivially circumvented by lighting a larger pile of money

If that was true, someone would have done it.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by s_dev »

simonw wrote: post #306

I used o3-mini to summarize this thread so far. Here's the result: https://gist.github.com/simonw/09e5922be0cbb85894cf05e6d75ae... For 18,936 input, 2,905 output it cost 3.3612 cents. Here's the script I used to do it: https://til.simonwillison.net/llms/claude-hacker-news-themes...

Currently on the internet people skip the article and go straight to the comments. Soon people will skip the comments and go striaght to an AI summary reading neither the original article nor the comments.

Re: OpenAI O3-Mini

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Post by nimithryn »

famouswaffles wrote: post #584
nimithryn wrote: post #523

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Am I the only one who thinks that R1 is awful at creative writing? I've seen a lot of very credulous posts on twitter that are super excited about excerpts written by DeepSeek that I think are absolutely absymal. Am I alone in this? Maybe people have very different tastes than I do? (I have no formal training in creative writing, though I do read a lot of literature. Not claiming my tastes are superior - genuinely cu…

I mean, do you think this is awful ? https://pastebin.com/Ja14mt6L

If R1 one-shotted this then I revise my opinion somewhat. This doesn't give me a gut "this is awful" emotional reaction (although I don't think it's good - it's pretty cliche, and I found my eyes glossing over pretty quickly).

I was somewhat turned off of DeepSeek (the first few questions I gave it, it returned 100% hallucinated answers). But maybe I'll have to look into it more, thanks.

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