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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by vbezhenar »

fsndz wrote: post #615
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

What do you prefer ? Letting DeepSeek and China lead the AI war ? DeepSeek R1 is a big wake up call https://open.substack.com/pub/transitions/p/deepseek-is-comi...

China is much more peaceful nation compared to US. So, yes, I'd prefer China leading AI research any day. They are interested in mutual trade and prosperity, they respect local laws and culture, all unlike US.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by jwr »

Gud wrote: post #599
belter wrote: post #576

This is a Military project. Have no doubts about it.

This is a money making scheme.

Mostly benefiting the fossil fuel industry. How are they going to power this? Gas is the only option that can be implemented within single years. And this is going to need a lot of power.

Who cares about the planet, anyway.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by jbaiter »

vbezhenar wrote: post #661
fsndz wrote: post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you prefer ? Letting DeepSeek and China lead the AI war ? DeepSeek R1 is a big wake up call https://open.substack.com/pub/transitions/p/deepseek-is-comi...

China is much more peaceful nation compared to US. So, yes, I'd prefer China leading AI research any day. They are interested in mutual trade and prosperity, they respect local laws and culture, all unlike US.

"They respect local laws and culture" - I think people from Xinyang probably have a very different perspective on that........

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by mppm »

roenxi wrote: post #649
mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

That sentiment calls for reflection - whoever ends up on top of the heap after the AI craze settles down is going to be someone that everyone objects to. Elon Musk was himself an internet darling up until he became wealthy and entrenched. That said, this does look like dreadful policy at the first headline. There is a lot of money going in to AI, adding more money from the US taxpayer is gratuitous. Although in the s…

> That sentiment calls for reflection - whoever ends up on top of the heap after the AI craze settles down is going to be someone that everyone objects to.

I agree in principle. And realistically, there is no way Altman would not be part of this consortium, much as I dislike it. But rounding out the team with Ellison, Son and Abu Dhabi oil money in particular -- that makes for a profound statement, IMHO.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by amelius »

mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

I would love for Oracle to use AI to put their entire legal department out of work, though.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by lm28469 »

paul7986 wrote: post #528
famouswaffles wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"There are maybe a few hundred people in the world who viscerally understand what's coming. Most are at DeepMind / OpenAI / Anthropic / X but some are on the outside. You have to be able to forecast the aggregate effect of rapid algorithmic improvement, aggressive investment in building RL environments for iterative self-improvement, and many tens of billions already committed to building data centers. Either we're a…

My prediction is a Apple loses to Open AI who releases a H.E.R. (like the movie) like phone. She is seen on your lock screen a la a Facetime call UI/UX and she can be skinned to look like whoever; i.e. a deceased loved one. She interfaces with AI Agents of companies, organizations, friends, family, etc to get things done for you (or to learn from..what's my friends bday his agent tells yours) automagically and she is…

I still fail to see who desire that, how it benefits humanity, or why we need to invest 500b to get to this

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by tosapple »

tempusalaria wrote: post #393
SecretDreams wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question - why Texas???

Texas is a world leader in renewable energy. Easy permitting, lots of space, lots of existing grid infrastructure from the o&g industry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

tim333 wrote: post #608
deknos wrote: post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

>wars which break out because of scarcity issues That doesn't seem to be much of a thing these days. If you look at Russia/Ukraine or China/Taiwan there's not much scarcity. It's more bullying dictator wants to control the neighbours issues.

At any given time approximately 1 in 10 humans are facing starvation or severe food insecurity.

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Post by palmfacehn »

dbspin wrote: post #650
tim333 wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>wars which break out because of scarcity issues That doesn't seem to be much of a thing these days. If you look at Russia/Ukraine or China/Taiwan there's not much scarcity. It's more bullying dictator wants to control the neighbours issues.

There's a terrifying amount of food insecurity and poverty in Russia - https://www.globalhungerindex.org/russia.html - https://databankfiles.worldbank.org/public/ddpext_download/p...

I would wager that states such as Russia and others misallocate resources, which in turn reduces productivity. Worse yet, some of the policy prescriptions stated above would further misallocate scarce resources and reduce productivity. Scarcity doom becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. This outcome is used to rationalize further economic intervention and the cycle compounds upon itself.

To be explicitly clear, the US granting largess to tech companies for datacenters also counts as a misallocation in my view.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Post by nejsjsjsbsb »

mppm wrote: post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

Need a bit of Zuck too
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