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When you live in a city with lots of crime and there's a shooting in the parking lot of the school at one in the morning, it's not really something that needs an urgent text from the kids.
I definitely agree. If my kid went to school in south side chicago I’d get bored getting texts 291 times per day, yea
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They're not making the argument you think they are. They are saying leaving by example is a good tool. They are not saying that every single rule must be symmetric
> Insisting kids follow a standard of "healthy" that you won't apply to yourself smacks of hypocrisy and bullying. don’t think you are following or reading…
Hence, leading by example is a good tool.
You're the only one trying to apply to every single edge case imaginable.
No, you don't have to stop driving a car either just because you won't let your toddler take the wheel.
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Great points! Why didn’t I think of that? You must be way smarter than me!
What a weird comment. Were you trying to prove devmor's point?
It’s an attempt to compel the reader into understanding their own flawed rationale by presenting an argument under the reader’s pretense that is obviously flawed.
But you were confused by it and didn't understand the point I was trying to make?
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I really hope you get what you want the way you describe, but for everyone else reading this: don't dismiss hacks like unplugging your router. Everyone should use external control (aka stimulus control [1]) more shamelessly. Stimulus control is a well-known technique that gets the job done for day-to-day problems like "phone compulsion." When you ask what willpower is, people think of "magical mental points." Common…
Nono, I specifically mentioned no willpower required. Like in your example of available actions, I also have zero desire to jump out of the window, so don’t have to expend any willpower to resist it. Similarly, on my good days, I don’t feel attracted to my phone. What do you say about that?
> I don't want to have to lock away the phone from myself or unplug my router.
could lead people into thinking that a state of no distractions could be achieved with no external control. In my opinion, that is unrealistic and probably extremely rare. You will probably need to lock away or add some friction to accessing your phone.
As long as we have smartphones with zero-cost distractions, our reptile brain will need some external control and we can carefully design it.
So my general advice for anyone trying to reduce their doomscrolling time is: keep your environment clean and designed for it - move your phone away and activate do not disturb mode, use extensions to block websites, etc.
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What a weird comment. Were you trying to prove devmor's point?
Oh you didn't understand it? It’s an attempt to compel the reader into understanding their own flawed rationale by presenting an argument under the reader’s pretense that is obviously flawed. But you were confused by it and didn't understand the point I was trying to make?
In fairness, devmor's jab was rude and uncalled for. However responding to an accusation that you're immature by behaving childishly is really kind of weird.
> But you were confused by it and didn't understand the point I was trying to make?
The confusing part is that it doesn't seem to support your position. Devmor's claim was essentially that sarcasm as a rhetorical device can be abused but isn't inherently bad if used correctly. You then used sarcasm in what Devmor would probably characterize as an incorrect adolescent manner to prove the point that it is annoying. However everyone already agreed that adolescent sarcasm is annoying. Presumably your intent was to demonstrate via example why sarcasm is bad or in the words you quoted, to "[present] an argument under the reader's pretense that is obviously flawed". This didn't work because nobody claimed sarcasm was a universal good, only that in certain situations it could be used to good rhetorical affect. You made a flawed argument, but it wasn't using the pretense of the person you were responding to.
To summarize, its confusing because you are arguing against a strawman. Instead of skewering the parent's argument, which i presume was the intent, it instead just made it look like you don't understand the person you are responding to.
Disclosure: I work for a social media company. However I live in the UK. Most schools in the UK ban phones in school. The difference here is that in this study phones were taken away for 21 days, even after school. They lost access to the phone completely during that time. I am less convinced that we should wholesale ban phones for kids, because in the UK at least, there is no longer any culture of letting kids go ou…
> there is no longer any culture of letting kids go out and socialise. Could this have died due to tech?
I remember growing up in the 80s and 90s, in a suburb with forest and playground in walking distance, there were less and less kids outside, or for shorter duration.
TV, cable TV and video games just killed everything.
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Yeah but most IT graduates working in a UK school on that salary are beyond inept in all honesty which is why do y many kids are able to find ways around the tills they use...
That is quite an offensive and uninformed comment. I worked in that sector a long time ago and your hipshot is very far from my lived experience. If you want to educate yourself in what the large community of typically very dedicated IT workers in UK schools do to protect children from online harm, search for edugeek and take a look through their "filtering" related forum. Back when I did that kind of work the web fi…
All I'll tell you is:
a) you're failing at stopping malicious internal actors you're simply fixing tick boxes
b) most school networks are a complete nightmare or worse laughable with next to no separation of resources (marking a drive as hidden on windows isn't secure)
c) maintaining an adult block isn't something to be proud of, there's services that do that for free at the perimeter they're called firewalls, deploy and forget, if that's not the case you are doing it wrong.
d) oh fudjing wow you wrote a script. This makes you a l33t sysadmin among your peers... Try taking to someone who deploys Linux at scale, this is Tuesday morning to them.
Stop blaming the teachers, and while we're at it, train them to not get fished by the smart kids...
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That is quite an offensive and uninformed comment. I worked in that sector a long time ago and your hipshot is very far from my lived experience. If you want to educate yourself in what the large community of typically very dedicated IT workers in UK schools do to protect children from online harm, search for edugeek and take a look through their "filtering" related forum. Back when I did that kind of work the web fi…
You know how you get it right? Either on prem, offline everything, or explicit allow lists controlled by teachers for that specific period. Disable USB ports. That’s what we moved to for one of our kids who couldn’t handle it. Except we have to control the access because the school won’t. It works. Is it perfect? No. Google Docs is the worst due to embedding. But it beats whack-a-mole. I’ve now had to do the manageme…
Some of the best sysadmins I've met are around academia because of the culture and they don't explode when being told their peers need to do better.
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I’m not a scientist in this field, but I would have been very surprised to have seen a difference in cognitive ability this quickly. I’ve always felt that we wouldn’t recover from the negative impacts of phone addiction very quickly, if ever, after several years of addiction to doom scrolling, social media feeds, and the short bursts of 10-second videos. I wish more real research in this field was being done, so that…
You should read what Socrates has to say about book addicts. We need to burn more of them to raise awareness of just how pernicious the written word is.
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> there is no longer any culture of letting kids go out and socialise. Could this have died due to tech?
I don't think so, it started much earlier than that. Unless tech includes having a television in the living room. There was the Great Satanic Panic in the 1980s and 90s, and there were more and more places where you need a car to get anywhere. Urban crime, or at least the perception of it, also did its part. It started much earlier than the smartphone era in the US and the UK, but there's still parts of the Nordics a…
I mean, technology as such wasn't born together with the internet.