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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Examples?

When was the last time a UFO/aliens story was competing for air time with a major real world news event (disaster, protest, shooting, terrorist, election, etc)?

The "balloon shootdowns" during the Ohio toxic chemical train derailment.

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If people in the DoD at that level exhibited such a degree of incompetence, wouldn't you want to find out before it's too late?

> If people in the DoD at that level exhibited such a degree of incompetence It is not incompetence - it is orthogonal. I worked with an excellent software engineer who was rather smart - way above average. However, he believed in "Overunity energy" and paid actual money to attend conferences and buy the books. Some folks are predeposed to believing conspiracies and seeing order where there's chaos.

One of the brightest guys I ever worked with believed the earth had enough food and resources to support ONE TRILLION people. Just because you're one of 1000 people in the world that understand how to make a qubit doesn't mean that domain knowledge transfers. Feynman knew this (Degrasse Tyson kinda doesn't).

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

I share the opinion that it is psyop and it is a very long running project. At one level it is a nice psyop platform - like Star Trek for the psychological warfare professionals. Over the years they have influenced American thought about the government to a great degree. X-Files. For example, most Americans, and this “whistleblower” here, now accept that elements in the US government are operating entirely outside of…

Sorry, how long is this supposed to take? You're saying we're going to be dominated by aliens and must be prepared for that? That's not how conquests normally work is it? There's no consent involved. And you're also saying this 'preparation' has been happening for 70 years? How long have we got before they actually arrive and how much prep do we need?

This is all complete bollocks

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step 1: Throw shit against the wall step 2: See what sticks step 3: Amplify that messaging step 4: Exercise power through providing spectacle and influencing attention step 5: Pacify with spectacle or agitate differences through amplified narratives to create chaos or division Am I insane for thinking that nation state manipulation of social media narrative is a more likely explanation for the upsurge of UFO/alien re…

My theory that this is CIA psyop to suppress and distract people from remembering Edward Snowden revelations, it is been exactly 10 years since. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36222610

The "Snowden, 10 years on" banner on this article does stands out

Snowden, 10 years on A decade ago, we published the Edward Snowden revelations that forever changed our relationship to our privacy and to our governments. Since then, we have defied the powerful by landing scoops on everything from Big Tech to surveillance, offshore banking to cellphone spyware. .. ..

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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After taking the pilots' accounts on face value, this analysis gave me new insight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs The pilots claim they saw a flying saucer that was rotating in weird ways, and provide a grainy video that's kind of convincing. The analysis proves it was lens flare. There are additional debunked UAP videos released by the military, including one that is lens bokeh around starlight, which…

Interesting analysis but doesn’t that not make sense since the radar was tracking a fleet of the same objects? Radar wasn’t picking up a fleet of lens flares.

Whereas we have the gimbal video, we don’t have any radar data to look at.

If we’re going to rely on pilots’ conversation as meaningful data, I started to get the impression from the gimbal video that the pilots are fucking around and know it’s a plane, and when they say a “whole fleet of’em out there” (the guy appears to be containing laughter as he says it) they’re sarcastically referring to all the other passenger planes in the sky.

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Ronald Reagan did, right? Commander in chief did, so for at least a time, they did?

Nancy had an astrologer and psychic, Jean Dixon, that she routinely consulted. Not aware of any evidence it influenced Bonzo, but everyone's partner has some weird thing, right?

fair enough

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Aliens just seem to love the USA, don't they? Just like giant prehistoric sea monsters seem to love Japan. It's totally not a cover-up for another black project.

If I came across a planet of smart monkeys and one monkey state had the most baddest mfers with the most insane tech and research, I’d want to learn about them. Everyone’s already encountered the starting conditions in most other countries. US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. I’m a naturalized US citizen, for example. Could have ended up anywhere but it’s best here in terms of opportunity and making new st…

I've never seen a more perfect example of non-ironic American exceptionalism

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Extend that too: a) An alien civilization has overcome the massive problems of interstellar travel and is able to visit in a manner that doesn't create a second sun in the sky Seriously people underestimate the ludicrous energies involved in near-c travel. Even with engines off at those speeds the interstellar dust undergoing nuclear fusion off your hull will give you away

Idk what’s so special about the speed of light/causality, in an alien universe it may not even be relevant. When talking about alien intelligence and technology literally everything is on the table.

> literally everything is on the table

Right, they could have ridden dragon-unicorn hybrids through a magic portal made from the dust of black hole centers.

That's what you mean when you say "literally everything is on the table."

Or, start drawing lines for me if you disagree.

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Some speculations: To spook enemies of the US and create a mystical aura of superiority around the US military and its capabilities. They're literally creating the impression that the US military has technology beyond the "Clarke threshold." (The Clarke threshold refers to Arthur C. Clarke's maxim that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.") To shake out moles, spies, and unreliable p…

All I can say is that IF there ever is an irrefutable visitation from an alien civilization in the future, it will be shit-show that will never end. I have zero confidence that any government or their populace will be able to handle that realization without going completely bonkers. We simply can't handle it as a civilization. For every sane person who is curious and wants to interact positively with the artifact/bei…

How do you know how people would react? It's never happened before. This is just paternalistic manipulation which by extension means the government should have much more power over people's lives 'for their own good'

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> What do you get when you have a multi-billion dollar defense budget and some of the best engineers on the planet? A huge waste.

I don't think 80 years of global peace and safe international trade have been a huge waste.

Hey, we can have both huge waste and 80 years of global(ish) peace with safe(ish) international trade.
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