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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by starfallg »

sn0wf1re wrote: post #393
HDThoreaun wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they didn't really do anything with it at all because they didn't have to. They didn't do anything with it because chatbots are unequivocally a worse business model than the current search paradigm. They cost exponentially more to run and are much harder to organically advertise with without scaring away users by making the chat responses themselves ads. If the future of search is chatbots Google is facing existent…

It reminds me of the Tiktok vs Youtube comparison. Ad revenue was way higher on long format content, but the success of Tiktok means that Youtube now has to pay more to creators, even if their margins are lower. AI as search is lower margin but Google will need to implement it just to stay relevant.

Are you saying that YouTube margins are lower than tiktok? Because that seems very unlikely based on estimated figures. Tiktok is still spending hundreds of millions on user acquisition. Bytedance is no closer to IPO now than 2 years ago, and so we don't have any idea the exact performance of its business lines.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by Grum9 »

qwertox wrote: post #608
veb wrote: post #345

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Get this, if you use Edge, with bing as search by default and join the waitlist, then another button appears "get access faster" or something, which then takes you to a page to make sure you've defaulted everything to Microsoft, and you've scanned a QR code to download a Bing mobile app. I can't be bothered _all_ of that. Mainly the addition of a new mobile app.

"Join the waiting list" is what turned me off. I'm already trying hard enough to use Windows 11 without a Microsoft account (local only) so that I'm definitely not signing into Bing on Edge. Next step they'll require me to link the OS to it.

I recently setup a new laptop for someone with windows 11 and was surprised how easy it was to get around the online account stuff. The wifi was on when I hit the account setup part, I didnt want to make an account for someone else (name an email and password for someone else, what a mess, no thanks), so I powered the router down. The account screen didnt seem to give any options at all to work around it and make a local, but after the router was off, I got in without an online account, I dont even think the local had a password given, I could get in by just clicking a "Sign In" button.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by plastic3169 »

When ever there is new technology people try to force old use cases into it as it somehow looks the same. When film came around conventions of theatre plays were used before the language of film was discovered.

I have a feeling that we might be fitting chatAIs to search because the ui sort of looks the same, but maybe it’s a thing of it’s own.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by neodymiumphish »

georgemcbay wrote: post #182
ycta20221203980 wrote: post #62

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I like Edge and I want to like Bing but my problem is that the new tab page on Edge and the landing page on (current) Bing are so bad. They're full of random junk and articles I don't want to see. I'll switch to Bing full time if they just make the landing page clean.

I don't know about Bing, but in Edge you can disable all of that random junk content and get a nice clean default page with just a single search text entry box (similar to the Chrome default). The settings for modifying your layout and turning off all the content you don't want is available through the gear icon settings from the top right of the page. Would be nice if the default were clean, but you can opt out of a…

I just set up edge on Mac today. If you go through the 3 or 4 quick setup choices, the last one is which layout you'd prefer. The last (I think it's called focused) is the one you're describing. So anyone experiencing this cluttered new tab page just didn't finish the exceptionally short setup process.

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Post by CatWChainsaw »

chii wrote: post #654
CatWChainsaw wrote: post #650

SEO crap ruined search, but you can still search. Asking a chatbot is going to be promoted until you won't have any way to source the answers, and we'll rely on a big corporation's version of reality on the basis of Trust Me Bro. Great timeline, excellent job.

But people were able to find stuff before the advent of search engines on the internet. Why can't that still work? And if you believe search engines are useful, you would continue to use them (may be from google, if bing decides to remove themselves). Just because bing might change into a question-answer style engine, doesn't mean you must use them. And if it turns out to be _better_, well, that's progress.

I don't consider myself a drooling idiot, but I started using the Internet maybe a couple years after Google started existing, so I don't remember how to find stuff pre-search engine. I rather doubt the generations that came after would have the knowledge or the inclination.

The generations that came after experienced computers that had become far more "user friendly", walled gardens, and a salvo of psychological manipulations designed to benefit corporations.

I don't really see how it's "better" to centralize key pathways to knowledge within black boxes held by some of the most powerful tech companies on the planet that stand to greatly benefit from people doing things the way they'd prefer, without consideration or alternative.

Of course if this does flop, maybe SwissCows will be the next darling. Who knows.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by datavirtue »

mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

It can also be a third party moderator. My daughter and I were discussing some issues she was having and, in a playful way, just started asking OpenAI about some of her issues. It was able to tell her things directly that would have been more difficult to accept coming from me. I considered it a breakthrough of sorts.

Writing code for me...yes, thank you! Helping me get through to my teenage daughter, that is amazing.

Another thing, is that if people get indoctrinated to expect bad information from the machine, it might have some impact in correcting our society's propensity for spreading and believing false information.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by thweoriu23o423 »

CatWChainsaw wrote: post #650

SEO crap ruined search, but you can still search. Asking a chatbot is going to be promoted until you won't have any way to source the answers, and we'll rely on a big corporation's version of reality on the basis of Trust Me Bro. Great timeline, excellent job.

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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by 0______0 »

lottin wrote: post #589
NikolaNovak wrote: post #535

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It is astonishing to me for someone to find no uses for it. We've been reading three custom made children adventure stories to our kids every night. My wife made custom black history month trivia, quizzes and posters I learned more about basic financial terms, music theory, caught up on concussion treatment and myriad other things We created quick rhymes for school And I feel there are astonishing things I haven't ev…

I have a feeling that when I read a book I get smarter, whereas when I interact with a chat bot I get dumber. And it's not just a feeling, I'm positive that this is what's actually happening.

That fits the candy store reference pretty well - the candy is not doing the kid any favors.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by 51Cards »

datavirtue wrote: post #667
mustacheemperor wrote: post #37

The Edge integration announced today also looks very impressive. I chuckled at the thought that MS is probably about to make a daily Edge user out of me and a lot of other people, but of course Edge is Chrome under the hood now. So Google beat MS to browser market dominance, and now MS is using their browser as a platform to go after Google's core business. Neat. I think this tech is going to be transformative for ev…

It can also be a third party moderator. My daughter and I were discussing some issues she was having and, in a playful way, just started asking OpenAI about some of her issues. It was able to tell her things directly that would have been more difficult to accept coming from me. I considered it a breakthrough of sorts. Writing code for me...yes, thank you! Helping me get through to my teenage daughter, that is amazing…

I'm going to play devil's advocate here but that last part is only if you trust the model and data coming out of the AI. Many of the conspiracy minded people I know would flat out say that it is obviously programmed to say what the goverment wants it to (or whatever flavour of argument it is this week)

In short, while individuals in our community might understand more about the underlying process, I'm not sure it would be accepted as more credible to those already skeptical of anything that goes against their opinion?

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