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Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by throwawayapples »

echelon wrote: post #22
avgDev wrote: post #16

This is going to get spicy. I wonder what impact it will have on Google's monopoly.

Google is stepping out of the frying pan and into the fire. They foolishly derive 50+% of their income from search, where there is no longer a moat. The golden goose is cooked. Edit: It's quite possible that anyone will be able to enter this race right now and build LLM silos for their own domain. This cracks monolithic search wide open. GameFaqs becomes ChatGG, where you can ask, "How do I beat Ridley for the second…

You're right in one respect; it's the Innovator's Dilemma. It's how monopolies have historically been weakened and eventually destroyed. I don't think we've seen enough actual leadership (aside from simple rent-seeking) from Google, and I'm not even sure the erstwhile thought leaders haven't already left the building and been replaced by people who are more concerned with stock prices and DEI than with actual innovation.

On the other hand, Google is still an incredibly formidable force, and it would be incredibly foolish for any prospective competitor (even in an adjacent field like AI) to ignore them. But, lest you be too freaked out: just remember Google Stadia.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by georgemcbay »

ycta20221203980 wrote: post #62
partiallypro wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edge is genuinely very very good. It does have some dev tool problems that I've run into, but for browser it's top notch.

I like Edge and I want to like Bing but my problem is that the new tab page on Edge and the landing page on (current) Bing are so bad. They're full of random junk and articles I don't want to see. I'll switch to Bing full time if they just make the landing page clean.

I don't know about Bing, but in Edge you can disable all of that random junk content and get a nice clean default page with just a single search text entry box (similar to the Chrome default).

The settings for modifying your layout and turning off all the content you don't want is available through the gear icon settings from the top right of the page. Would be nice if the default were clean, but you can opt out of all of that stuff.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by braingenious »

I’m really curious as to how on Earth did Google fumble the ball on this stuff?

It’s hilarious that their search offering has been so bad for so long that the new Big Idea in Search is “What if you searched something and the returned result wasn’t garbage?”

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by haswell »

avereveard wrote: post #166
jimrandomh wrote: post #5

This is undeniably cool and impressive, but, I think proceeding down this research path, at this pace, is quite irresponsible. The primary effect of OpenAI's work has been to set off an arms race, and the effect of that is that humanity no longer has the ability to make decisions about how fast and how far to go with AGI development. Obviously this isn't a system that's going to recursively self-improve and wipe out…

Humanity never had a choice, I wonder what is the thought process of people that claim otherwise, like how did they get to that conclusion?

Humanity always has a choice. The part where we rarely even pause to remember that a choice exists is the problem.

Achieving AGI feels as consequential as learning to split the atom. Something else we regularly wish we had not done.

The fact that we are running headlong towards potential catastrophe does not at any point prevent us from realizing this and taking a step back. I just hope we actually do.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by IncRnd »

seydor wrote: post #150
epups wrote: post #80

This is a potentially momentous occasion here. Microsoft is betting hard that they can mount a challenge to Google, and I think ChatGPT can credibly attempt that. The answer from Google so far is weak. The thought that Bing may actually overtake Google would be hilarious a few months ago, and now it looks... possible?

Microsoft better create an API for third parties to receive traffic or otherwise interact with the GPT , or they ll get sued left and right. Sounds like this could be momentous indeed, unless i m missing something

There already is an api to interact with chatgpt.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by michaelcampbell »

lb4r wrote: post #152
Klonoar wrote: post #133

How does Bing, at whatever point, overcome the odd issue of: "google it" is a verb in pretty much every culture I've traveled through. Bing isn't even in the conversation. Changing the tech doesn't mean much on this one, but I'm curious what others think here.

People will use the phrase "Bing It" as a joke, but due to their increased use of Bing, they will say it so often that it soon won't be a joke.

In a similar zeitgeist, there was a video from some guy claiming to be an (ex?) microsoft employee telling a story about how Ballmer would force everyone to say "bing it!" in the same way Mean Girls tried to make "fetch" happen, with similar results.

I also recall, possibly incorrectly, that the whole thing was made up.

It was a funny video, and seemed in character of Ballmer after the infamous "Developers!" display.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by eclipxe »

low_tech_punk wrote: post #180

Did anyone try the "Fast Access" sign up? I did all the tasks on the list and the page remained the same. I think it's a scam to get more user sign-ups for Bing. At the minimum, the page should indicate your updated status on whether or not you are on the "faster" track. https://www.bing.com/new/fastaccess?form=MY0291&OCID=MY0291

Of course its a scam to get more defaults set. MS is the same MS from before.

Re: Microsoft announces new Bing and Edge browser powered by upgraded ChatGPT AI

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Post by pphysch »

lb4r wrote: post #171
pphysch wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's going to eat up a lot of Wikipedia, StackOverflow, Quora, etc. traffic but it doesn't change the reality that often you need a real link to somewhere else on the Internet. And all of that is still going through Google or Bing.

There will still be links, but I'm guessing it will be GPT saying: "Here's a link on the topic: ..." And if you still need more links, there will of course be a way to access the old search, but it won't be front and center.

If I type "wapo" into Google or Bing, I don't want an earfull from a LLM about what "wapo" might mean (especially if streamed slowly a la current ChatGPT), I want a link to Washington Post's current frontpage.
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