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It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Re: It’s not Tourette’s but a new type of mass sociogenic illness

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Post by theGnuMe »

fleddr wrote: post #535

The times we live in, utterly bizarre. Pre-internet, one would rarely be exposed to ideas that are extreme, unhinged, insane or downright weird. It would still happen but in moderation, for which I'll use the stereotype "village idiot". A village idiot is isolated for having off-base ideas and behavior, hence bad ideas don't take root. Now it's as if all the village idiots of the world had a meeting and started to ru…

>Pre-internet, one would rarely be exposed to ideas that are extreme, unhinged, insane or downright weird.

"Good afternoon, do you have a moment for me to talk to you about our lord Jesus Christ?"

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Post by tnel77 »

robotresearcher wrote: post #594
fleddr wrote: post #535

The times we live in, utterly bizarre. Pre-internet, one would rarely be exposed to ideas that are extreme, unhinged, insane or downright weird. It would still happen but in moderation, for which I'll use the stereotype "village idiot". A village idiot is isolated for having off-base ideas and behavior, hence bad ideas don't take root. Now it's as if all the village idiots of the world had a meeting and started to ru…

I know it doesn't feel that way right now, but there is probably no time in history where racism, sexism, homophobia, classism, religious hatred, slavery, etc. were less normalized than right now. These things are sadly all too common, there's lots of work to do, and we must not be complacent about past successes. But when I was a kid, homosexuality was illegal. Twenty years ago gay fear and stupid women were typical…

I don’t feel like either of you are wrong. We have made amazing cultural advances while also taking steps backwards. I love the internet (and technology in general), but at what point do we say enough is enough when you address the points that OP has made?

Edit: Never stop making things better in terms of equality, but perhaps we shouldn’t celebrate cancel culture or people getting internet points for gender confusion.

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Post by joenot443 »

Karawebnetwork wrote: post #417
Eumenes wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That 50% number is anecdotal, from a friend whose a teacher in a middle school (norther Virginia) ... My guess is 100% of these children are on Tiktok/Snapchat, ingesting whatever content is being fed to their impressionable minds. Its certainly an internet driven phenomenon.

> That 50% number is anecdotal Then it is meaningless and hazardous to build an opinion upon it. > My guess is 100% of these children are on Tiktok/Snapchat TikTok usage is at 32.2% for children aged 10-19. Snapchat usage is at 59% for children aged 13-24. That would be unlikely. Those two platforms also share little in term of features and functionality. How are they relevant here and why single them out?

I’m sorry, but if you think TikTok and Snapchat have little overlap in their user base and feature set, you shouldn’t be speaking so confidently about teens issues because your perspective is woefully outdated.

I worked at Snapchat. Nearly every new feature we made was to compete with TikTok and drag eye ball time back from them into Snap. It sounds like you just googled “TikTok usage teens” and are using that to advance your (very shaky) argument about gender ideology.

I have teenage sisters and we talk frequently about how different discourse has become in their classrooms than it was 10 years ago when I was in high school. The 50% anecdote claimed doesn’t surprise me at all, after what I’ve heard.

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Post by willeum »

matsemann wrote: post #650
dQw4w9WgXcQ wrote: post #552

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Not only that, but if you tell the village idiot they're being an idiot you become a villageidiotiophobe. People are afraid to set boundaries for fear of getting cancel cultured or harassed by a woke tolerance mob. All disagreement is now "toxic behavior" on social media channels. Arguing over perspectives is now sometimes branded with the extreme label of gaslighting. Day by day our Overton window continues to shift…

Ironically I feel your beliefs about this stem from whatever bubble you yourself are in. No normal person goes around afraid of being "attacked by a woke mob". This is some stories you've been told, and blindly believe, from the other side.

This is not the case. Companies for one do enforce woke culture. I believe GP wasn't talking about being physically attacked by a mob, rather their reputation and livelihood

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Post by kaesar14 »

mjcohen wrote: post #619
kaesar14 wrote: post #601

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By an absolute quantity or an absolute measure? I daresay at least in India, the toleration for homosexuality, women, and general non-conformity is quite higher than it used to be. Casteism and religious hatred still exists in great quantity but has it improved relative to 1950? Probably? Things are not perfect but you’re underrating how awful they used to be.

Are you kidding? With what Modi has done and is continuing to do, India is becoming far more repressive. It is another one of the countries I would fear to visit because of reactions to what I might say.

Yes, there are recent setbacks, but you really need to put yourself back in time to where India was in the earlier part of the 20th century. Caste discrimination was fully legal. Women had next to 0 legal rights over themselves and their property. The Partition of India was the most violent outburst of religious violence that has occurred in human history.

There are many problems in contemporary India but I would suggest you not generalize the average Indian in this way. Many young people are quite open minded and quite westernized in their attitudes towards social issues. Modi’s victories in Parliament are complicated and not all driven by religious intolerance.

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Post by btbuildem »

> Third, patients often reported to be unable to perform unpleasant tasks because of their symptoms resulting in release from obligations at school and home, while symptoms temporarily completely disappear while conducting favourite activities.

I think this here is enough to explain everything about this "mysterious illness".

German teens are trolling HARD.

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Post by OJFord »

ketzo wrote: post #551
OJFord wrote: post #536

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They write 'people with FND have a condition that cannot be medically explained' as though it's just insufficient research, not understood yet. 'FND' is just polite for 'all in your head'. This article reads like 'they're being treated with a drug called Placebo'.

Nobody’s being polite - just cognizant that “all in your head” doesn’t mean “fake.”

Ask a doctor.

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Post by OJFord »

solarmist wrote: post #609
OJFord wrote: post #536

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They write 'people with FND have a condition that cannot be medically explained' as though it's just insufficient research, not understood yet. 'FND' is just polite for 'all in your head'. This article reads like 'they're being treated with a drug called Placebo'.

Panic attacks are all in your head too. You’ve obviously never had one or seen someone go through one. Your brain is an organ just like other organs. If it starts malfunctioning it can cause serious even life threatening problems.

Both thanks, not that it's any of your business.

Panic attacks are a symptom, not a diagnosis.

'All in your head' is an expression; one I perhaps should have avoided, obviously there are ailments located in the head that have a 'real' cause.

Panic attacks I suppose may present in 'functional' patients, but there are physiological causes too.

Anyway, I didn't really make any sort of comment on FND itself or patients with that diagnosis, I didn't say 'they just need to pull themselves together' or whatever. I just commented on the way the article was written, that it didn't seem like the author understood.

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Post by incomingpain »

deanCommie wrote: post #367
incomingpain wrote: post #358

This is the next big area of research in social sciences. You must research this for national security reasons. Early research came in with the idea of mirror neurons but it went further. Statistically you're always going to have 'hot spots' for suicide. # per capita etc. So governments trying to help setup suicide hotlines. Not much uptake on this. So they advertised the suicide hotline and suddenly has mass suicide…

> How about all the kids suddenly becoming trans? Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point. It is a moral panic, and it causes real harm to kids who need genuine mental health support who are instead being dismissed as being part of a trend. "all the kids" are not suddenly becoming trans - the incident rates in society are still extremely small. All rises in incidents of transgenderism are easily explained…

>Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point. It is a moral panic, and it causes real harm to kids who need genuine mental health support who are instead being dismissed as being part of a trend.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/24/an-explosion...

The guardian is right wing?

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/05/10-per-cent-...

This was from 2015, the actual numbers are now over 25% today. Hence why the first article from days ago is so concerned with the huge increase.

>"all the kids" are not suddenly becoming trans - the incident rates in society are still extremely small.

Perhaps nothing is wrong. LGBT rates pre world war 2 was a fraction of a percent. Perhaps society has always been >25% but socially people couldnt admit to it?

>Happy to answer any other questions if needed.

What's the association between LGBT and "Commie"? There is one.

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Post by incomingpain »

deanCommie wrote: post #637
LawTalkingGuy wrote: post #452

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> Please do not repeat this right-wing talking point. Please do not make this a partisan issue. Some of us have been following the sexually regressive trend of calling our children's bodies defective and broken because they don't match the viewers' sexual stereotypes for quite a while now, and there was pretty widespread consensus across political and religious ideologies that our kids didn't need surgery to be okay.…

This is a gishgallop of modern pedophilia-associating talking points from the first sentence onward. ("sexually regressive trend of calling our children's bodies defective and broken because they don't match the viewers' sexual stereotypes" WHAT??) There's just so much that is horrifically wrong and sounds like a FOX News watcher's sweaty fantasy of what they think transgenderism is. It absolutely is a partisan issue…

>There's just so much that is horrifically wrong and sounds like a FOX News watcher's sweaty fantasy of what they think transgenderism is.

I'm the original poster you had originally replied to. I rarely see any Fox news content. I bet you see more fox news content than I do. Trying to associate a viewpoint with some news agency in the USA seems quite odd to me.

>It absolutely is a partisan issue, only insofar as the "classic liberals" on HackerNews who are promoting this transphobia haven't understood yet that they are not as centrist as they'd like to believe.

Or there is legitimate cause for concern and there's no transphobia at all. This isn't a partisan problem.

>* Transgenderism is testable, evaluatable, and has little to do with gender stereotypes like a boy playing with dolls

So you would agree we don't approve any surgeries or medication until there is a testable evaluatable test results confirming diagnosis with 0% detransition risk?

>* A boy can absolutely wear a dress to elementary school without a teacher starting talk of transition.

Videos on tiktok show quite the opposite. Dress wearing not even necessary.

>* But you're also dreaming if you think at any point - 30 years ago, 15 years ago, or now - a boy can wear a dress to school and not get bullied by a meaningful percentage of his male peers.

Was explicitly not allowed in my high school.

>* All transgender counselling starts with pre-existing condition consideration. As a trans friend of mine said "The first thing my transition counsellor asked me to do was quit my job. We needed to make sure I wasn't just depressed because I hated my job so much"

This story is older than perhaps about 7 years or so. wpath rules changed, the counsellors dont work this way anymore. It's considered a crime in Canada for a counsellor to do this.

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