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Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
#662The globalists have been telling me for years that we are post-national, that borders are obsolete, etc. We have seen mass migration from the Middle East to Europe, and from central and South America to the US, and we’ve been told that this is good.
Now I’m supposed to actually care about a Westphalian nation state? I don’t get it.
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#663Earlier quoted context omitted.
So many commentators did not live through post-USSR 90s to completely miss the mentality and culture which shapes Putin's decisions. First, you need to understand values of a person, then their goals, then their methods to achieve the goals. 90s in post-USSR countries were a relatively free environment (from state prosecution) and it naturally selected for individuals which wanted as much power as possible and were w…
I think the Sanctions/No Sanctions debate is mostly moot. North Korea has been in the status of pariah state for decades and hasn't bent an inch. Compare that to China for whom we gladly swept the Tiananman Massacre under the rug, respected their sovereignty, made them a top trading partner and they have also not bent an inch. And we have hosted thousands of Chinese grad students at our universities. They are also wa…
> North Korea has been in the status of pariah state for decades and hasn't bent an inch.
There are sanctions on the NK leadership and you have to convert them and their children into the Western way of thinking before they can even give open information to regular people. Right now Russia just started to censor its internet and Western values together with Western media cat still freely flow to Russia's people. This window of opportunity is closing rapidly, over though.
> Compare that to China for whom we gladly swept the Tiananman Massacre under the rug, respected their sovereignty, made them a top trading partner and they have also not bent an inch.
Because China has ~ 1B people and it heavily censors its media from the start. You cannot change mentality of so many people so fast.
Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
#664Earlier quoted context omitted.
The count of soldiers doesn't matter; you can only fit so many on a battle line anyway and a war in which you run through a full battle line of infantry is so costly that even that insane regime wouldn't go for it. The red army required millions of soldiers because it ran through them so quickly due to their battle doctrine. This conflict will be nothing like World War 2. The size of the economy doesn't so much matte…
It matters at least in the sense that Russia's modest forces are so hyper exposed right now. The US and NATO could trivially cripple Russia's army in the field. They're entirely unprepared for it and they're going to be operating far from their optimal protection (embedded in Russia where defenses are far greater). The question is, when would Putin throw the nuclear card on the table. I'm in favor of the US and NATO…
Just sensible climate policy at a global level would be enough to crush Russia economically. I feel like this recent drama effectively stems from trying to distract the Russian people from this looming fact while the oligarchs get as much money as possible out the country.
Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
#665The interesting thing is that this wouldn’t have happened if the US hadn’t gotten rid of Ukraine’s nukes and promised to protect them after they got rid of them.
US, and UK and Russia never agreed to "protect" Ukraine in exchange of their nukes, but that they won't attack them. US and UK didn't broke it, Russia did. But it's arguable that this deal was ever good for Ukraine, only for Putin so far.
Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
#666Some economic perspective. The Russian economy is 10x the size of the Ukrainian. The US economy is 14x larger than Russia's. The Canadian economy is larger than Russia's. The combined economy of all of NATO is 25x the size of Russia's. This does not even include Pacific allies like Japan and ANZUS. For historical perspective, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor the US economy was 7x larger than theirs. At the end of WW2…
> At the end of WW2 the red army had 12 million soldiers in uniform
Poor comparison. This was total war at the time.
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#667Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can keep swallowing whatever garbage your propaganda ministry is selling you. The rest of the world knows the truth.
Yes the "rest" of the world knows the "truth". It's just a matter of defining what "the rest" and "truth" mean. In the context of the modern Axis of Evil also known as Five Eyes the "truth" is whatever the propaganda machine releases to its mass audience of intellectually handicapped people. The "truth" were the "weapons of mass destruction" where the Allies killed over 550k children only in Iraq, not counting Syria,…
Ukraine is not a western country, not a part of any pact, not a part of EU. No western country is protecting Ukraine.
How things that West done are somehow connected to Putin’s desire to challenge the sovereignty of his neighbor?
Don’t live in black and white world with good guys and bad guys.
Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
#668What is the endgame here?
Russia is outclassed by NATO both economically and militarily.
If NATO intervenes economically, Russia will lose much.
If NATO intervenes militarily, Russia will lose much (but at great cost to NATO).
The risk of NATO intervention is high, right? Russia understood this before invading, right? So it seems Russia is accepting a high risk of loss.
But it doesn't make sense that a nation as sophisticated as Russia would accept such a high risk of loss. Which means that they might actually believe the risk of NATO intervention is low.
How could the risk be low without some kind of collusion or hidden knowledge (hidden from us common folk)? Are "they" ("the global elite", "the military industrial complex") all "in it" (profiting) together? Is Russia just suicidal? If (when?) Russia loses out, how do they react?
Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
#669Earlier quoted context omitted.
The count of soldiers doesn't matter; you can only fit so many on a battle line anyway and a war in which you run through a full battle line of infantry is so costly that even that insane regime wouldn't go for it. The red army required millions of soldiers because it ran through them so quickly due to their battle doctrine. This conflict will be nothing like World War 2. The size of the economy doesn't so much matte…
That economy means we can pump out more ranged weapons than the Russians can. We could literally keep shooting missiles until they ran out of things to block them with and keep shooting until there's nothing left.
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Re: Russian forces invade Ukraine after Putin orders attack
#670What is the endgame here? Russia is outclassed by NATO both economically and militarily. If NATO intervenes economically, Russia will lose much. If NATO intervenes militarily, Russia will lose much (but at great cost to NATO). The risk of NATO intervention is high, right? Russia understood this before invading, right? So it seems Russia is accepting a high risk of loss. But it doesn't make sense that a nation as soph…
Russia has thousands of nuclear missiles. This makes them immune to NATO invasion.