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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by MadeThisToReply »

Commodore63 wrote: post #509
flutas wrote: post #489

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hadn't actually heard of it either, from one of the first results: > This whole thing got started earlier this month, at the Talladega Superspeedway. Brandon Brown had just won a NASCAR race. And sportscaster Kelli Stavast at one point commented during an interview with Brown afterward how the crowd seemed to be chanting in his honor: ‘Let’s go, Brandon!” >Unfortunately, that’s not actually what they were chanting.…

At 0:13 on your video, the crowd is clearly saying "fuck Joe Biden". So this video is explicitly political, given that its name is a dogwhistle for "fuck Joe Biden".

I know it's too late to save the word "dogwhistling" from losing all meaning, but can you at least try to use it correctly?

"Dogwhistling" doesn't mean "saying something that means something else", it means using coded or indirect language to communicate something to a specific group of people while hoping that the general audience doesn't pick up on your meaning. Everybody knows what "let's go Brandon" is code for, and the people who say it aren't trying to hide what they really mean.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by edgineer »

downandout wrote: post #631
EastOfTruth wrote: post #560

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Is the full video of that town hall meeting available anywhere?

https://youtu.be/R8R2545fHCo Oddly, it’s pretty well hidden in search, while other, older town halls came right up. I had to select a number of specific options in YouTube’s search just to find it.

Last year I had a similar experience searching for CNN's interview with Biden and Harris. In that case, I cound only find CNN Brasil's release of the full interview (with Portuguese spoken over it). Some of what he says is embarrassing, but those parts are difficult to find on YouTube.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epjmkbGerqw

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by nickthemagicman »

KittenInABox wrote: post #519
DrJones1098 wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well established scientific concensus. If you're referring to anything related to Covid there's no well-established scientific consensus it literally just happened around year and a half ago it's impossible to have scientific consensus. Even the most respected scientists are saying they don't know about a lot of things related to covid. also well-established scientific consensus is not an ideal goal post . Galileo wa…

> also well-established scientific consensus is not an ideal goal post Genuinely asking, how should I evaluate truth in a subject matter that I myself don't have a doctorate in if the standard of "what is general consensus among the people with doctorates in the subject" isn't reasonable?

A lot of parts of science and math are very different from the 60's while a lot of remains the same!

How do you make sense of all of this and wrangle objective truth from the chaos?

That's an epistomological question people have been asking since the dawn of mankind.

IS there even objective truth that our limited monkey/human mind can grasp?

I don't know the answer!...but I know censoring a multitude of opinions and claiming a monopoly on objective truth in an infinite world of chaos is not the way to do it.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by mercy_dude »

downandout wrote: post #527
lettergram wrote: post #468

For those who think this isn’t political, check out what they posted on the POTUS Twitter the day before https://twitter.com/potus/status/1451544259992203266 The goal of this is to reclaim “let’s go Brandon” and it’s obvious. EDIT: for those who don’t know what “Let’s go Brandon” means, a child comment linked to a 40 second video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ8asiDn2_A&feature=youtu.be For those who don’t watch or…

This is a fascinating tweet on many levels. 1) I think it's safe to assume that Joe Biden has no SEO expertise, which means that someone with the power to send the President of the United States out for a photo op does. They went out and found someone named Brandon for Biden to pose for a photo op with. 2) To me it's terrifying that Presidential actions are now being dictated by SEO concerns, but it is interesting. 3…

Anyone who thinks or thought before the election Joe Biden is going to be the one running the country as a president they were naive to say the least. The only reason Democratic Party had to throw Joe Biden to everyone’s face was he was the only electable candidate they had left as the mouthpiece of the establishment. Pete was the other one out of the 15 candidates they had, but then his sexual orientation wasn’t going to fly well in mid America.

Joe Biden doesn’t run the country. DC Establishment does. It always has. The very same thing they accuse others of such as causing big tech monopolies, wealth inequality, climate change etc, the same establishment protects those interests all.

He was the most backed candidate by the Wall St. for a reason. Enough said.

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Post by TrispusAttucks »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #610
TrispusAttucks wrote: post #602

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Joe Biden (via Hunter) was/is literally doing the thing they tried to impeach Trump over. I'd say that's related!

Joe Biden / Hunter Biden is doing what exactly?

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/jonathan-turley-biden-corrup...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/magaz...

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Post by atleta »

DrJones1098 wrote: post #491
atleta wrote: post #449

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Well established scientific concensus. If you're referring to anything related to Covid there's no well-established scientific consensus it literally just happened around year and a half ago it's impossible to have scientific consensus. Even the most respected scientists are saying they don't know about a lot of things related to covid. also well-established scientific consensus is not an ideal goal post . Galileo wa…

Yeah, the social media and the internet is full of these claims and I see how these are pretty easy to believe when told with enough confidence. Which was an interesting revelation for me.

Since the average person doesn't know much about the background (me included!) and since a similar claim takes a lot of knowledge to disprove it just sounds plausible by default. Because if someone makes a more specific claim, like "this is how sars-cov-2 enters the cells" or "this drug works" (or doesn't work) that's easy to check and then, if not true, disprove with published papers. The "we don't know this" is harder. Even if you pull up a paper, the goal post indeed will be moved ever so slightly and if the claim is more broad then you need to be a knowledgable expert to be able to say where the gaps are in the knowledge and how likely, when discovered/understood that new knowledge would change the field substantially.

Since I became interested, I started learning a bit of virology online. Vincent Racaniello, a professor of virology at Columbia has an online course on youtube. This semester he teaches it directly with a focus on the average layperson [1]. Each session is 2 hours long and you can ask questions which he answers. It's not about covid, it's about virology in general but he does include the relevant pieces of information abour sars-cov-2 into every lesson/topic. He actually has his previous courses taught to undergrad (or graduate?) students online as well. Those seem to be just 1 hour long each, but based on a quick look at the slides the content is identical.

Now what it teaches to everyone interested is that they know a lot. They have astonishingly detailed knowledge about how viruses work in general and they have learned a lot about sars-cov-2 very quickly. But given the general virology knowledge, you won't be surprised at the things they looked at first.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGhmZX2NKiNnVlm_lAvk5...

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Post by nickthemagicman »

silverspoonin wrote: post #572
Zuider wrote: post #533

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What evidence is there that a general consensus on a thesis indicates that it is necessarily true? Is it rational simply to accept a consensus, effectively taking something on faith?

That was not an answer to his question, and I am really curious for an answer to it because I think it's a valid and reasonable point. Also, as to whether believing scientific general consensus should count as "faith" or not, I invite you to read Issac Asimov's short essay "The Relativity of Wrong".

Scientific consensus is just religious consensus with more advanced instruments of measurements.

You're still prodding into the infinite.

CERN and Yerkes Observatory are just peeling off the surface layer of the onion.

To claim anything is objective truth is also claiming you know the universe in it's entirety.

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Post by unclebucknasty »

fabianhjr wrote: post #577
unclebucknasty wrote: post #556

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> Network effects can happen in a federated or decentralized way There's no technical reason they can't, but practically, a central, easily discernible destination appeals to those looking to monetize their content. Email is a one-to-one (or few) channel vs broadcast. Completely different. The arguments about decentralization/federation remind me of the early days of the Net, wherein there was so much talk of democra…

> There's no technical reason they can't, but practically, a central, easily discernible destination appeals to those looking to monetize their content. That is very similar to what was mentioned up-thread: > [..] we need to start by addressing the root cause of this concentration: Centralization is required to capture profit. --- > Email is a one-to-one (or few) channel vs broadcast. Completely different. ActivityPu…

>ActivityPub / Diaspora / Friendica were also mentioned

Yes, these are all examples of what's technically possible from a decentralization standpoint; yet have not flourished WRT adoption, relative to the centralized platforms.

>That is very similar to what was mentioned up-thread:

"[..] we need to start by addressing the root cause of this concentration: Centralization is required to capture profit.

I see the article you've quoted up-thread and the author's observation is so obvious as to add little to this discussion. That is, of course it's an issue of profit.

But, I suppose it does underscore that it's not the question of technology that advocates of Diaspora, etc. suggest.

So, sure, my original point that we'll always tend towards centralization on platforms that benefit from network effects relies on the assumption that we'll continue to have a capitalist economy.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by nickthemagicman »

atleta wrote: post #667
DrJones1098 wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well established scientific concensus. If you're referring to anything related to Covid there's no well-established scientific consensus it literally just happened around year and a half ago it's impossible to have scientific consensus. Even the most respected scientists are saying they don't know about a lot of things related to covid. also well-established scientific consensus is not an ideal goal post . Galileo wa…

Yeah, the social media and the internet is full of these claims and I see how these are pretty easy to believe when told with enough confidence. Which was an interesting revelation for me. Since the average person doesn't know much about the background (me included!) and since a similar claim takes a lot of knowledge to disprove it just sounds plausible by default. Because if someone makes a more specific claim, like…

My undergrad is in biology and I got it many years ago. I can only imagine how much has changed since then.

Does anyone think that in the infinite complexity of the human body and the immune system that we think we have 'figured covid out' by discovering a single spike protein?

There's such an endless possibility of how Covid can interact with the body.

We are just touching the surface of how the body works.

They just discovered a new organelle in cells this year.

So for any single group to claim a monopoly on truth and censor other views, especially with only a year and a half of study... is a major problem.

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