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Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by kristopolous »

simonh wrote: post #349
tomp wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Clearly some of the Establishment wanted it to succeed. Or massively & publicly fail... if we’re trading conspiracy theories.

Fail in what way? I mean they didn’t actually overthrow the government or string up Pence, but their penetration and looting of the Capitol buildings was incredibly successful.

Qanon and friends have been talking about "the storm" for years now.

January 6 was either luck and foolery or clever planning.

A year ago I would have said luck but the weekend before super Tuesday last year with the centrists clearing the lane for Biden all within 36 hours convinced me there's capable skilled political actors who can orchestrate things.

January 6 was perhaps the least harmful version of the storm possible. The people there, they are the kinds of people that follow crazy conspiracies and do mass shootings, tens thousands of them. They've been antagonized and fueled this antigovernment narrative, some of them for almost 30 years by the shock jock grifters.

They got their storm, the pitchfork moment and relatively little violence happened, it lasted just an afternoon, then they left, not returning the next day and now people are being arrested in a way that doesn't martyr them as revolutionaries or put them into any kind of overarching constructive narrative.

They weren't lined up against the wall and taken care of like revolutionaries but instead individually arrested like common criminals. There was no clear "deep state" repression or large arrests to stoke the conspiracies of prison camps etc.

The storm happened. It was a dud. Afterwards the conspiracy social media accounts were denouncing the Republican party. Almost like the Republicans were able to shake off this toxic part of their coalition in the exchange.

This is an extremely favorable outcome for the establishment. They even got to shut down a bunch of the biggest troublemakers in the process. So really I don't know what to think. Brilliant execution or dumb luck, maybe a bit of both...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by CivBase »

mplewis wrote: post #122
trident5000 wrote: post #4

Still in the app stores I see.

Parler refuses to moderate content. Facebook does not.

> Parler refuses to moderate content.

Is this documented anywhere? From what I've seen that's simply not true.

"the lack of moderation on Parler is not the issue. they actually have very robust moderation tools and all new users start out shadowbanned until enough of their post get approved for rightthink by their user moderators"[0]

[0] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506

It sounds to me like the actual issue was about how quickly and thoroughly Parler could moderate a platform that blew up overnight and whether Parler's moderation standards matched the expectations of AWS, Apple, and Google.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by randerson »

refurb wrote: post #308
deepspace wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And getting up-voted too. I thought the BLM=Looters talking point was debunked a long time ago, given that BLM protests took place mainly in the daytime, while the looting was done by thugs, at night, after the protesters went home. So it is very strange to see that narrative being taken at face value here.

So you’re able to clearly separate out the bad actors from BLM, but apparently not with Trump supporters?

When Trump himself is one of the bad actors, all his supporters are bad actors. The bad subset of BLM supporters weren't leading the BLM movement.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by vmception »

zionic wrote: post #482
asdfk-12 wrote: post #438

Half of a billion in lobbying dollars well spent by FAANG[1] - business as usual continues for facebook despite their decreasing popularity and repeated scandal and failure, from Cambridge Analytica to Libra. Those in my immediate circle have mothballed or closed their accounts, although Instagram seems to have more holding power. 1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajdellinger/2019/04/30/how-the-...

Patiently waiting for Apple and google to remove the facebook app, and AWS to... well... say they can’t join AWS someday.

Actually maybe municipalities can go after data centers. Discretionary permits, zoning etc.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

tessierashpool wrote: post #208
Red_Tarsius wrote: post #112

>The Capitol Attack Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? Surely the Capitol Hill has an insurance policy? Or does that moronic point only apply to the common folk? Susan Rosenberg literally bombed the Capitol in 1983 and now serves as vice chair of the board of directors of Thousand Currents, a " non-profit foundation…

Where was this rhetoric when Antifa and BLM burned and looted for months with the blessings of all corporations and the mainstream media? This is incendiary and false.

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Post by nl »

AzzieElbab wrote: post #626
dragonwriter wrote: post #589

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> Parler has been, for all intents and purposes, killed. Parler wasn't “killed” because planning took place there, but because they were openly at least unable if not actually unwilling to take action against a huge backlog of specific problem identified to them; the problem was current and forward, not retrospective.

How did you come up with that conclusion? Honestly, just asking

Not the OP, but it's the reason AWS gave:

In an email obtained by BuzzFeed News, an AWS Trust and Safety team told Parler Chief Policy Officer Amy Peikoff that the calls for violence propagating across the social network violated its terms of service. Amazon said it was unconvinced that the service’s plan to use volunteers to moderate calls for violence and hate speech would be effective.

“Recently, we’ve seen a steady increase in this violent content on your website, all of which violates our terms," the email reads. "It’s clear that Parler does not have an effective process to comply with the AWS terms of service.”

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/johnpaczkowski/amazon-p...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by Izkata »

hooande wrote: post #461
nostromo wrote: post #421

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The rush to call the storming of the capitol terrorism is really misplaced. By adopting words like "terrorism" you're paving the way for an overreaching response from lawmakers and law enforcement -- something that will likely end up being used against a cause you might support, like BLM. Firstly, nobody was terrorized. No, this wasn't "our 9/11." I doubt it'll even be a topic of conversation in a few years, just lik…

Millions of Americans watched the Capitol insurrection play out live on tv. That has an impact on the national psyche that's very similar to a terrorist attack. People aren't going to forget about it because we all witnessed it together. It's going to be the defining event of trump's presidency, whether you think that's fair or not

> It's going to be the defining event of trump's presidency, whether you think that's fair or not

Trump's approval is not the lowest it's been during his presidency - it was lower in Dec 2017 [0], and even now at 39.2% it's almost twice that of Congress [1] at 20%.

It doesn't seem to have hurt him all that much. If you look at favorability rather than job approval, it even seems to be almost unchanged [2], only having gone from 45% to 43%. And if you give any weight to Rasmussen, they have Trump's total approval going up since the 6th, from 47% to 51% [3]!

[0] https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/01/politics/poll-of-the-week-con...

[2] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/poll-trump-a...

[3] https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/tru...

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by kortilla »

wavefunction wrote: post #651
wdn wrote: post #642

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If you see how much wealth the politicians, especially the one holding important position, you see why they want the job for a merely $200,000 a year. Clinton and Obama got very wealth after their presidency. Pelosi wealth goes up many fold for becoming speaker of the house. Not only their wealth go up, everyone around them got a lot wealthier too.

Why are you not mentioning any Republicans?

Because there is plenty coverage of Republican sleaze. The mistake is in thinking one set of politicians is “doing the right thing”.

Additionally, as of tomorrow the Republicans are irrelevant when it comes to the selecting a party to lobby. Democrats control the house, the senate, and the presidency. Keep their coffers lined and you keep the regulation at bay.

Re: Capitol Attack Was Months in the Making on Facebook

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Post by lenkite »

ceejayoz wrote: post #535
core-questions wrote: post #528

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Why does that same description not apply to their adversaries?

When antifa storms the Capitol and gets Congressional representation (i.e. folks like Marjorie Taylor Greene), do let me know.

Well, actually an Antifa activist (who also came on CNN) was one of those charged for inciting the Capitol attack: https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/utah-man-charged-federal-... https://www.newsweek.com/john-sullivan-capitol-attack-leftwi...

With men like these deliberately egging on rioters, it's no wonder a protest turned violent.

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