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Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by bluedevil2k »

pb7 wrote: post #564
bluedevil2k wrote: post #541

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You're right, we should side with the multi-trillion dollar company that refuses to pay taxes on their multi-billion dollar profits.

Apple, like every other company and individual, pays every dollar they owe and not a penny more. If this weren't the case, the IRS would be rolling up to their doorstep. If you don't like the tax laws, then petition them to be changed and I will support you. And yes, let's side with the company that became worth a trillion dollars by virtue of providing billions of people with devices and services that enrich their l…

> Not the company that ... only further glues them to their screens.

You’re right again, Apple has no part at all in kids being glued to screens.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by [deleted] »

flenserboy wrote: post #130
sneak wrote: post #76

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If users didn’t want these things, users wouldn’t buy them. For the vast majority of people, and iPhone is way, way better than a computer that can run any app, precisely because it can’t run any app they click on. I’m a hacker, so I would love to be able to install any software I want on my iPhone, and introspect it in other ways. Most users, however, would have a way worse experience using their phone if they were…

Apple's advertising is built on security and privacy — allowing other App Stores on their system would only open up users to invasive tracking & attacks. I want my desktop system to be open as can be; I'm perfectly happy with my phone being (somewhat) locked down. That said, Apple could allow users to choose to install other App Stores on their devices, but at the cost of their devices being considered hopelessly com…

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Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by baby »

mrguyorama wrote: post #645
fanatic2pope wrote: post #623

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Support for Epic never took root on HN because techno-entrepreneurs see themselves not as mere fart app developers but as temporarily embarrassed billionaire monopolists.

I support opening up Apple's ecosystem, but I don't support Epic. They say they want to give user's the freedom to choose, yet they took a video game I purchased away from my chosen storefront (rocket league being taken off of steam) Where's my user choice Epic?

rocket league is going free to play so I guess your wish is becoming reality :)

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by ThatPlayer »

pb7 wrote: post #463
stale2002 wrote: post #401

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> Why does Epic get to monopolize their game's monetization? The answer to this question is quite obviously that the smart phone market is much much larger, and has a much higher impact on society, than an in game cosmetics market. This is what courts care about. They care about real life consumer impact. And anyone who is not stupid, or intentionally trying to mislead people, can understand than the smart phone mark…

How exactly are consumers impacted by Apple's App Store? Other than having a consistently good experience where they are safe from malicious actors, privacy violations, manipulative subscriptions, malware, etc.

Not being able to use apps that Apple deem inappropriate: there's no PornHub app for anyone who wants that. Or more recently Microsoft's xCloud streaming app has been blocked even though it's not different than something like Netflix.

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Post by ThatPlayer »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #523
gowld wrote: post #286

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If that store isn't a monopoly and the decisions aren't for purposes of restraining trade.

We aren’t dealing with a monopoly, so that’s out.

What other app store is there on iOS?

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Post by bobobob2 »

pb7 wrote: post #597
kazinator wrote: post #576

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"monopolize their game's monetization" That is a silly oxymoron. One game doesn't constitute a monopoly; users who don't like it for whatever reason can go play any one of the vast number of games that computing has produced for half a century. What you're saying is like why should Burger King have a "monopoly" on what sauce goes into a Whopper? Gosh, darn it, the market should be open so that you can order a Whopper…

One store doesn't constitute a monopoly either. You can go sell in another store.

You can't on iOS because there is only 1 store.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by ThatPlayer »

ryandrake wrote: post #516
AlexandrB wrote: post #86

From https://appfairness.org/our-vision/ > No app store owner should prohibit third parties from offering competing app stores on the app store owner’s platform, or discourage developers or consumers from using them. I don't disagree but does this mean Sony should allow, for example, Steam to be installed on the PS5? Or is the definition of "App Store" used here narrow and arbitrary?

As a user, I don't want more app stores all over my phone. I don't want more app stores all over my game console or PC either. Compare it to the Windows gaming world, where if you want game 1, you need to go to store A, if you want game 2, you need to install store B, if you want game 3, you need to install store C. Yuck! What end user wants that hassle?

But it's better overall for a user because it allows competition for the marketplace. Do you only shop at Walmart because it's convenient?

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Post by threeseed »

fanatic2pope wrote: post #623
nicetryguy wrote: post #75

I'm surprised at all of the negativity here. The changes proposed would be great for developers, even if (most) of the companies involved are shady, their reasons are selfish, and the obvious "astroturfiness" of the website is laughably dissonant and reeks like a dirty think tank that hasn't been cleaned in months. Apple has no qualms about absolutely screwing developers historically. I'm happy to see some pushback.

Support for Epic never took root on HN because techno-entrepreneurs see themselves not as mere fart app developers but as temporarily embarrassed billionaire monopolists.

Support for Epic never took root anywhere.

Because everyone can see Epic for what they are: a billion dollar company who wants their own monopoly.

Do you think Fortnite will be available on competing stores ?

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Post by threeseed »

baby wrote: post #663
mrguyorama wrote: post #645

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I support opening up Apple's ecosystem, but I don't support Epic. They say they want to give user's the freedom to choose, yet they took a video game I purchased away from my chosen storefront (rocket league being taken off of steam) Where's my user choice Epic?

rocket league is going free to play so I guess your wish is becoming reality :)

Doesn't negate the point.

Epic would have exclusives not available on other stores.

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Post by spideymans »

fanatic2pope wrote: post #623
nicetryguy wrote: post #75

I'm surprised at all of the negativity here. The changes proposed would be great for developers, even if (most) of the companies involved are shady, their reasons are selfish, and the obvious "astroturfiness" of the website is laughably dissonant and reeks like a dirty think tank that hasn't been cleaned in months. Apple has no qualms about absolutely screwing developers historically. I'm happy to see some pushback.

Support for Epic never took root on HN because techno-entrepreneurs see themselves not as mere fart app developers but as temporarily embarrassed billionaire monopolists.

Idk about that. The iOS developers I've seen have largely been supportive of Epic's actions, even Epic's motivations might be unsavoury. It's the users that have pushed back, out of fear that a more "open" iOS could turn their iPhone into a Windows XP-esque privacy, security and UX nightmare.
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