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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by antiframe »

mathfailure wrote: post #627
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

> You can't reasonably get a job at a US firm while being physically located somewhere else and on the other side of an uncertain and greatly attenuated greencard application process. That's just not how this works. For IT jobs - why can't you?

I believe there are tax/nation border issues. Can a Polish citizen work for a US company while in Poland. They need to pay Polish income tax. Does the company need to withhold their taxes. Usually companies will have a Polish subsidiary so the employee is working for a Polish company in Poland.

Not to mention what does the company do for the I-9. The emploee has no authorization to work for a US company.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by _doctor_love »

Aniket-N wrote: post #452

The number of people commenting who are grossly misinformed yet feel very confident is very very high. Many comments are calling legitimate facts as “wrong”. People don’t event know the difference between a visa and a permanent resident status and yet feel compelled to talk about foreign born people coming to America, “non- western” or “non-European” immigrants. Do better HN audience. This is very disappointing.

Hey friend, you don't come here for reasoned discussion, do ya? On a Saturday?

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by fooker »

thallium205 wrote: post #543
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

The UK, the EU, Japan, and Australia all have identical rules to this policy.

Whenever I see something this obviously false on a forum, it’s always a head scratcher.

Perpetrator of misinformation or victim? Ignorant or malevolent?

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by shimman »

joe_mamba wrote: post #549
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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The only people over burdening the system are billionaires demanding corporate welfare while denying the same welfare to civilians.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by testing22321 »

varenc wrote: post #443

The internal memo on this is interesting: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/memos/PM-... Essentially they're trying to change the rules by aggressive re-interpretation of the existing legal framework, and not actually changing any laws or regulations. I don't follow all of it, but it seems to be arguing that the "ordinary consular process", leaving the country and applying for a visa from abroad, is…

I don’t want to defend the cure administration, but it’s very common and normal for a country to require a person to leave to change status.

Every time my Canadian work visa expired I had to drive over the border, enter the US, turn around and drive back to start the new one. The border guards call it “flag-poling” because you do a U turn around the flag pole.

When I went from work visa to permanent resident I had to do it, in January, in Alaska, at -44 degrees and nasty ice on the roads. That border required 30km of driving through no man’s land before I got into Alaska. I asked the Canadian as I was leaving if I could just u turn his building and come back right now, and he was very firm I had to enter the US, even if for just 20 seconds. Nasty drive, but all ok

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Post by chrinic6391 »

parineum wrote: post #554
itkovian_ wrote: post #353

The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. The requirement of being permanently obligated to pay us taxes on global income, if you have any kind of global mobility, is not worth it when you look at the situation objectively. The US is the only country that requires this, and signing up is voluntarily. So while US immigration c…

> It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. I guess these immigrants must be stupid.

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Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by chrinic6391 »

parineum wrote: post #554
itkovian_ wrote: post #353

The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. The requirement of being permanently obligated to pay us taxes on global income, if you have any kind of global mobility, is not worth it when you look at the situation objectively. The US is the only country that requires this, and signing up is voluntarily. So while US immigration c…

> It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. I guess these immigrants must be stupid.

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Post by fooker »

akkartik wrote: post #365
leokennis wrote: post #314

May the world extend Americans the hospitality that the US has extended to the world in the last year.

As a naturalized American citizen, I hope the world extends Americans who leave the same hospitality the US extended for decades before the last year.

When you say world, do you also include the Middle East and South America and various Asian countries that were invaded, bombed, or couped by America?

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Post by defrost »

thallium205 wrote: post #543
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

The UK, the EU, Japan, and Australia all have identical rules to this policy.

Nonsense.

Re: Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by paulddraper »

array_key_first wrote: post #488
nairboon wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries In this situation, wouldn't the kids already have citizenship of their parents countries?

No? If you're born in the US you have US citizenship, you're American. You don't just magically get citizenship for your parents home country, at least not for most countries.

Most countries determine citizenship eligibility primarily by parentage, not place of birth.
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